On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 22:49:45 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:04:37 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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>>>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 17:59:54 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 23:47:04 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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>>>>>>> "monkfish" <monkfish@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:25:48 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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>>>>>>>>> "monkfish" <monkfish@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:45:10 -0400, default wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 22:03:53 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
>>>>>>>>>>> <PF@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>y church tithes 15% of their income to missionaries, plus have
>>>>>>>>>>>>many other benevolent projects going.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> A Whopping 15%? Of their "income?" OK so you contribute 15%
>>>>>>>>>>> to the church and in turn the church contributes 15% of your
>>>>>>>>>>> 15% to missionaries (whose purpose is to make converts to
>>>>>>>>>>> enhance the revenue stream) and "benevolent projects?" Like
>>>>>>>>>>> what? Teaching people that condoms are evil and AIDs is god's
>>>>>>>>>>> gift to lovers?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Much better than killing people
>>>>>>>>>> for believing in something other than communism.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Communism does not have the corner of that market. What are the
>>>>>>>>> "holy wars" all about? It was not over a woman.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot.
>>>>>>>> They did the worst so far in history. All atheists.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They are very comparable to the churches crusades. It is
>>>>>>> impossible to know how many people were tortured and murdered all
>>>>>>> in the name of christianty. I can tell you that with multiple
>>>>>>> crusades, the French religious Wars, the christian muslim wars,
>>>>>>> the catholic church backing Hitler, there are more dead due to
>>>>>>> gods than atheist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Numbers tell a different story.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warpcent.htm
>>>>>> http://www.inplainsite.org/html/atheism_or_christianity.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> monkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the header because
>>>>>> atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing and as such
>>>>>> it is prohibited by their undebatable policy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yup. it really depends on where you get your numbers.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstatv.htm#Biblical
>>>>> http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm#Huguenot
>>>>> http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm#European
>>>>> http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstatv.htm#African
>>>>> http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstatv.htm#ISlave
>>>>> http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat0.htm#America
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Add them up and compare it
>>>> with the number of victims murdered by atheists.
>>>
>>> As I said earlier, it does not matter the number. Both ideologies are
>>> guilty of murder. From your point of view a sin is a sin, it does not
>>> matter to god, the price is the same. Also the point being made is
>>> that if these people, these christians, these religious organizations
>>> which claim to be led by a perfect god. Which I will maintain that If
>>> this god is real and leading his church, it would not lead it in the
>>> way he has done. The proof is is in the pudding.
>>
>>
>> Don't be ridiculous.
>> If God says "Do not murder,"
>> and you murder innocent people,
>> you definitely are not a Christian.
>> If Jesus says "Love your enemies,"
>> ad you hate your enemies,
>> you definitely are not a Christian.
>>
> Well the paradox returns. Keep going you are starting to see clearly.
>
>
>> Why do you blame God
>> for what non-Christians do?
>> Just because they do so
>> "in the name of God"?
>>
> Your almost there.
>
>
>> If I taunt you in the name of space,
>> would you blame space?
>>
> Your just about touching it.
Fascinating, isn't it?
There are several things like that.
First, there are ideals like Honesty,
Justice, Equality, etc.
If an honest man tells a lie,
he is not an honest man anymore.
An honest man cannot tell a lie.
There's something about God
that's clearly idealistic.
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