On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 23:30:49 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:05:36 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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>>>>>> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:33:47 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:16:18 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If God is real, and there is only one true God, why
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are there so many flavors of the Christian faith? It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would seem to me that there would only be one message
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the variety one can choose from what we have now.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The bible clearly states God is a jealous God, so if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he ( or she, or it ) is so powerful and jealous why do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> other gods exist? He can just will them to non
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> existence. Why are there so many other religions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> besides the many that claim to be Christian? Is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hebrew religion correct that Jesus was not the messiah
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the world is still waiting for the messiah? Jesus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> said that he was to be dead and buried three days and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nights like Jonah was in the belly of the fish three
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> days and nights. How do you get three days and nights
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when the story has Jesus dead and buried just before
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evening on Friday and rising very early Sunday
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> morning? Is the flood story true? If it's true that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus really did live, was killed and came back to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life, it should not be so far fetched that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egyptian and Roman gods as well as the gods of other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ancient people were real also. That their gods like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Glycon, Osiris, Dionysus, Pythagoras all older than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus must be real and not myth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fully manifested in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cross of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen Him through Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheists don't know our God and therefore can't see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manifestations of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> love and care in human beings, and to the death if need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be, such as we see in Jesus Christ. (Jesus in John 3:3)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In colossians 4:6 you are admonished to have an answer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to very man. 2nd Timothy 2:15 study to show your self
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approved......... Yea you can quote a few verses, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't know what they mean, like a computer running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> software, a robot. Is it ok to own slaves? Is owning a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slave showing "love"? Is it showing "love" when you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teach small children lies. Two of the lies are on a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> annual basis, and revolve around more fairy tales.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I say: My "God is love", then I mean that my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prime ideal I seek to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> live up to is love and care. Your god, that invisible old
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ogre in the sky you love to hate, doesn't exist, and all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your hateful polemics above are pointless. Therefore my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God is real, and yours isn't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you reject the bulk of the book you claim to be from a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perfect god, twist what it says so you feel more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comfortable. In other words make it up as you go along,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all in the name of Jesus!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have to do some editing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unless you are going to quote the whole Bible whenever
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone asks you a question.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, none needed. Seems to me your uncomfortable with " holy
>>>>>>>>>>>>> scripture"? I sure you get more passage quotes in church
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sermons.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't know much about language, do you? What does it mean
>>>>>>>>>>>> for you to understand words? Are you free to change their
>>>>>>>>>>>> meanings? If so, how are we going to do that without making
>>>>>>>>>>>> them unintelligible?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> There we go again, does it mean this? Are you sure? Maybe it
>>>>>>>>>>> means that, I'm not 100 % sure.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you hate to think,
>>>>>>>>>> you can simply trust me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For whatever reason,
>>>>>>>>>> people love to do flat reasoning.
>>>>>>>>>> It is what we do when we mix up
>>>>>>>>>> all points of perspective and
>>>>>>>>>> see reality as if it's a still life.
>>>>>>>>>> It's quite comforting to do so.
>>>>>>>>>> But it's not the proper way to see reality.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hang in there.
>>>>>>>>>> I will figure out for you
>>>>>>>>>> how you can stop doing so.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The very basis of religion, " I will figure it out for you".
>>>>>>>>> That what you want in creating a paradox. There is no
>>>>>>>>> paradoxical tension here, at least on my part. I do not know
>>>>>>>>> you, I do not hold you accountable for the actions of religious
>>>>>>>>> groups. Any accountable action I hold towards you is in that you
>>>>>>>>> defend such actions and try to rationalize it by the use of what
>>>>>>>>> appears to be your favorite tool, the paradox.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Reality is mysterious.
>>>>>>>> Flat reasoning will not do.
>>>>>>>> I am going for the multidimensional dialectics.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Reality is not mysterious. Flat reasoning can most certainly do. I
>>>>>>> am sitting in my chair. I am am touching it. Quantum physics may
>>>>>>> say that because no solid object is really solid because there are
>>>>>>> spaces around our molecules. That because of this solid objects
>>>>>>> can pass through other solid objects with out damage to either
>>>>>>> object. The reality now says no. Other wise clothes would not stay
>>>>>>> on your body. You would not walk on the earth but fall through it.
>>>>>>> And in theory it is true, only at the atomic or sub-atomic level.
>>>>>>> The only reason you really use paradoxical circles is the same
>>>>>>> reason you choose your name monkfish. Both of which shows why you
>>>>>>> are posting in the groups.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Of course, we will see many paradoxes. They mark the boundaries
>>>>>>>> of our reason. Reality is bigger than our reason.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, we need to have faith in the scientific method. We also need
>>>>>>>> to realize that we need such faith. We need faith in our reason
>>>>>>>> and in meaningful life. Without such faith, we cannot do
>>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So we ask what faith is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You seem to live in a simple and
>>>>>> artificial world of your own.
>>>>>> At least have a decency to ask
>>>>>> why there is so much suffering in this world.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I never asked, I know why.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Wonderful.
>>>>
>>>> why is there so much suffering in this world?
>>> Because the mother ****p has not come back to straighten things out
>>> yet. The mother ****p is due any day now though.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> If you are not puzzled by so much suffering in this world,
>
> I'm not puzzled by it, I see why it is happening.
>
>
>> you probably are not living a reflective life.
>
> Thats a bit of a jump.
>
>> Still you are here talking about God. And you seem to be optimistic
>> without any basis.
>
> And what are you supposing I'm optimistic about?
>
Just an impression.
Why are you so interested in God
when you don't even believe in Him?
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