monkfish wrote:
>
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 04:15:01 -0500, bob young wrote:
>
> > monkfish wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:33:47 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
> >>
> >> > "monkfish" <monkfish@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> > news:DtednV6QwbWamY_VnZ2dnUVZ_judnZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:23:40 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> "monkfish" <monkfish@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >>> news:69ednVaWgJJ7XI3VnZ2dnUVZ_oninZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >>>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:39:32 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> "monkfish" <monkfish@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >>>>> news:BKSdnYY3OO8BHJLVnZ2dnUVZ_tHinZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >>>>>> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:22:15 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> "monkfish" <monkfish@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >>>>>>> news:w-CdnQCcBLeQuZPVnZ2dnUVZ_oTinZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:16:18 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> "Pastor Frank" <PF@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >>>>>>>>> news:f0cdc$480dbc78$d1d89a6b$16902@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >>>>>>>>>> "Fred Jones" <sup****tsystem@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >>>>>>>>>> news:hIydndO7apTwG5HVnZ2dnUVZ_qGknZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "Pastor Frank" <PF@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >>>>>>>>>>> news:cf07d$480c5c4e$d1d89a68$24723@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Fred Jones" <sup****tsystem@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> news:Q9SdndgYpM8txpbVnZ2dnUVZ_ournZ2d@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If God is real, and there is only one true God, why are
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> there so many flavors of the Christian faith? It would
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to me that there would only be one message not the
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> variety one can choose from what we have now. The bible
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> clearly states God is a jealous God, so if he ( or she,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> or it ) is so powerful and jealous why do other gods
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> exist? He can just will them to non existence. Why are
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> there so many other religions besides the many that
claim
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to be Christian? Is the Hebrew religion correct that
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus was not the messiah and the world is still
waiting
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> for the messiah? Jesus said that he was to be dead and
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> buried three days and nights like Jonah was in the
belly
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of the fish three days and nights. How do you get three
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> days and nights when the story has Jesus dead and
buried
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> just before evening on Friday and rising very early
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sunday morning? Is the flood story true? If it's true
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> that Jesus really did live, was killed and came back to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> life, it should not be so far fetched that the Egyptian
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and Roman gods as well as the gods of other ancient
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> people were real also. That their gods like Glycon,
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Osiris, Dionysus, Pythagoras all older than Jesus must
be
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> real and not myth.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> fully manifested in
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen Him
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> through Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour. (Jesus in
John
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> 14:6-10)
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Atheists don't know our God and therefore can't see
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> manifestations of
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> love and care in human beings, and to the death if need
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> be, such as we see in Jesus Christ. (Jesus in John 3:3)
> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> In colossians 4:6 you are admonished to have an answer to
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> very man. 2nd Timothy 2:15 study to show your self
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> approved......... Yea you can quote a few verses, you
don't
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> know what they mean, like a computer running software, a
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> robot. Is it ok to own slaves? Is owning a slave showing
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "love"? Is it showing "love" when you teach small
children
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> lies. Two of the lies are on a annual basis, and revolve
> >> >>>>>>>>>>> around more fairy tales.
> >> >>>>>>>>>> When I say: My "God is love", then I mean that my prime
> >> >>>>>>>>>> ideal I seek to
> >> >>>>>>>>>> live up to is love and care. Your god, that invisible old
> >> >>>>>>>>>> ogre in the sky you love to hate, doesn't exist, and all
> >> >>>>>>>>>> your hateful polemics above are pointless. Therefore my
God
> >> >>>>>>>>>> is real, and yours isn't.
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>> So you reject the bulk of the book you claim to be from a
> >> >>>>>>>>> perfect god, twist what it says so you feel more
comfortable.
> >> >>>>>>>>> In other words make it up as you go along, all in the name
of
> >> >>>>>>>>> Jesus!
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> You have to do some editing
> >> >>>>>>>> unless you are going to quote the whole Bible whenever
someone
> >> >>>>>>>> asks you a question.
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> No, none needed. Seems to me your uncomfortable with " holy
> >> >>>>>>> scripture"? I sure you get more passage quotes in church
> >> >>>>>>> sermons.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> You don't know much about language, do you? What does it mean
> >> >>>>>> for you to understand words? Are you free to change their
> >> >>>>>> meanings? If so, how are we going to do that
> >> >>>>>> without making them unintelligible?
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>> There we go again, does it mean this? Are you sure? Maybe it
> >> >>>>> means that, I'm not 100 % sure.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> If you hate to think,
> >> >>>> you can simply trust me.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> For whatever reason,
> >> >>>> people love to do flat reasoning.
> >> >>>> It is what we do when we mix up
> >> >>>> all points of perspective and
> >> >>>> see reality as if it's a still life.
> >> >>>> It's quite comforting to do so.
> >> >>>> But it's not the proper way to see reality.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Hang in there.
> >> >>>> I will figure out for you
> >> >>>> how you can stop doing so.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>> The very basis of religion, " I will figure it out for you". That
> >> >>> what you want in creating a paradox. There is no paradoxical
> >> >>> tension here, at least on my part. I do not know you, I do not
hold
> >> >>> you accountable for the actions of religious groups. Any
> >> >>> accountable action I hold towards you is in that you defend such
> >> >>> actions and try to rationalize it by the use of what appears to
be
> >> >>> your favorite tool, the paradox.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Reality is mysterious.
> >> >> Flat reasoning will not do.
> >> >> I am going for the multidimensional dialectics.
> >> >>
> >> > Reality is not mysterious. Flat reasoning can most certainly do. I
am
> >> > sitting in my chair. I am am touching it. Quantum physics may say
> >> > that because no solid object is really solid because there are
spaces
> >> > around our molecules. That because of this solid objects can pass
> >> > through other solid objects with out damage to either object. The
> >> > reality now says no. Other wise clothes would not stay on your
body.
> >> > You would not walk on the earth but fall through it. And in theory
it
> >> > is true, only at the atomic or sub-atomic level. The only reason
you
> >> > really use paradoxical circles is the same reason you choose your
> >> > name monkfish. Both of which shows why you are posting in the
groups.
> >> >
> >> >> Of course, we will see many paradoxes. They mark the boundaries of
> >> >> our reason. Reality is bigger than our reason.
> >> >>
> >> >> So, we need to have faith in the scientific method. We also need
to
> >> >> realize that we need such faith. We need faith in our reason and
in
> >> >> meaningful life. Without such faith, we cannot do anything.
> >> >>
> >> >> So we ask what faith is.
> >>
> >> You seem to live in a simple and
> >> artificial world of your own.
> >> At least have a decency to ask
> >> why there is so much suffering in this world.
> >
> >
> > Simple. Because we are freak mammals. All animals kill, only the
human
> > one kills for the fun of it due to the warped brain that the
> > evolutionary process managed to provide him with.
> >
> > Some get a kick out of killing, others are very content to spend a
life
> > time helping the under privileged, others spend a life time trying to
> > perpetuate imaginary gods.
> >
> > It all results from the need for 'gratification' - the driving force
of
> > evolution
> >
>
> Are you going to stop talking as if you know,
> any time soon?
Aaaah, I see that had you thinking.
Progress, AT LAST.
Bob
Man of old, the savage,
formed the belief,
the eruption of the volcano
was god's expression of grief.
Man believed the lightning bolt,
for the crops - a blessing of rain,
the curse of flood lending starvation,
was spewed from heavenly gates.
Man believed he could calm divine wrath,
through sacrifice of a virgin pure,
though blood appeased him not,
how the quake continues to tremble the earth.
Man believed the sting of a bee,
the fangs of the serpent, the teeth of a bear
were all signs of divine things,
deities by the dozens, some invented in pairs.
Silly superstitions thrive to this day,
if not for the rationalist, skeptic,
and freethinker,
where would we be?
In Church thumping Bibles, that's where!
See, we've came a long way.
Instead of cracking virgins' skulls,
[with acknowledgements to: Sharon]
>
> --
> monkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the header
> because atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing
> and as such it is prohibited by their undebatable policy.
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