On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:05:36 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 01:33:44 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:16:18 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If God is real, and there is only one true God, why are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there so many flavors of the Christian faith? It would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to me that there would only be one message not the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> variety one can choose from what we have now. The bible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clearly states God is a jealous God, so if he ( or she,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or it ) is so powerful and jealous why do other gods
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist? He can just will them to non existence. Why are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there so many other religions besides the many that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim to be Christian? Is the Hebrew religion correct
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that Jesus was not the messiah and the world is still
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waiting for the messiah? Jesus said that he was to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dead and buried three days and nights like Jonah was in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the belly of the fish three days and nights. How do you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get three days and nights when the story has Jesus dead
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and buried just before evening on Friday and rising very
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> early Sunday morning? Is the flood story true? If it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> true that Jesus really did live, was killed and came
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back to life, it should not be so far fetched that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Egyptian and Roman gods as well as the gods of other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ancient people were real also. That their gods like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Glycon, Osiris, Dionysus, Pythagoras all older than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus must be real and not myth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fully manifested in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen Him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour. (Jesus in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> John 14:6-10)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheists don't know our God and therefore can't see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manifestations of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> love and care in human beings, and to the death if need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be, such as we see in Jesus Christ. (Jesus in John 3:3)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In colossians 4:6 you are admonished to have an answer to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very man. 2nd Timothy 2:15 study to show your self
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> approved......... Yea you can quote a few verses, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't know what they mean, like a computer running
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> software, a robot. Is it ok to own slaves? Is owning a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slave showing "love"? Is it showing "love" when you teach
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small children lies. Two of the lies are on a annual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> basis, and revolve around more fairy tales.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When I say: My "God is love", then I mean that my prime
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideal I seek to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> live up to is love and care. Your god, that invisible old
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ogre in the sky you love to hate, doesn't exist, and all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your hateful polemics above are pointless. Therefore my God
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is real, and yours isn't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you reject the bulk of the book you claim to be from a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> perfect god, twist what it says so you feel more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> comfortable. In other words make it up as you go along, all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the name of Jesus!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You have to do some editing
>>>>>>>>>>>> unless you are going to quote the whole Bible whenever
>>>>>>>>>>>> someone asks you a question.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No, none needed. Seems to me your uncomfortable with " holy
>>>>>>>>>>> scripture"? I sure you get more passage quotes in church
>>>>>>>>>>> sermons.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You don't know much about language, do you? What does it mean
>>>>>>>>>> for you to understand words? Are you free to change their
>>>>>>>>>> meanings? If so, how are we going to do that
>>>>>>>>>> without making them unintelligible?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There we go again, does it mean this? Are you sure? Maybe it
>>>>>>>>> means that, I'm not 100 % sure.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you hate to think,
>>>>>>>> you can simply trust me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For whatever reason,
>>>>>>>> people love to do flat reasoning.
>>>>>>>> It is what we do when we mix up
>>>>>>>> all points of perspective and
>>>>>>>> see reality as if it's a still life.
>>>>>>>> It's quite comforting to do so.
>>>>>>>> But it's not the proper way to see reality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hang in there.
>>>>>>>> I will figure out for you
>>>>>>>> how you can stop doing so.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The very basis of religion, " I will figure it out for you". That
>>>>>>> what you want in creating a paradox. There is no paradoxical
>>>>>>> tension here, at least on my part. I do not know you, I do not
>>>>>>> hold you accountable for the actions of religious groups. Any
>>>>>>> accountable action I hold towards you is in that you defend such
>>>>>>> actions and try to rationalize it by the use of what appears to be
>>>>>>> your favorite tool, the paradox.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Reality is mysterious.
>>>>>> Flat reasoning will not do.
>>>>>> I am going for the multidimensional dialectics.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Reality is not mysterious. Flat reasoning can most certainly do. I
>>>>> am sitting in my chair. I am am touching it. Quantum physics may say
>>>>> that because no solid object is really solid because there are
>>>>> spaces around our molecules. That because of this solid objects can
>>>>> pass through other solid objects with out damage to either object.
>>>>> The reality now says no. Other wise clothes would not stay on your
>>>>> body. You would not walk on the earth but fall through it. And in
>>>>> theory it is true, only at the atomic or sub-atomic level. The only
>>>>> reason you really use paradoxical circles is the same reason you
>>>>> choose your name monkfish. Both of which shows why you are posting
>>>>> in the groups.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Of course, we will see many paradoxes. They mark the boundaries of
>>>>>> our reason. Reality is bigger than our reason.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, we need to have faith in the scientific method. We also need to
>>>>>> realize that we need such faith. We need faith in our reason and in
>>>>>> meaningful life. Without such faith, we cannot do anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So we ask what faith is.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You seem to live in a simple and
>>>> artificial world of your own.
>>>> At least have a decency to ask
>>>> why there is so much suffering in this world.
>>>>
>>> I never asked, I know why.
>>
>>
>> Wonderful.
>>
>> why is there so much suffering in this world?
> Because the mother ****p has not come back to straighten things out yet.
> The mother ****p is due any day now though.
>
If you are not puzzled by so much suffering in this world,
you probably are not living a reflective life.
Still you are here talking about God.
And you seem to be optimistic without any basis.
Where did you get your optimistic blind faith?
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