On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 04:15:01 -0500, bob young wrote:
> monkfish wrote:
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>> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:33:47 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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>> > "monkfish" <monkfish@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:23:40 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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>> >>>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:39:32 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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>> >>>>>> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:22:15 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:16:18 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If God is real, and there is only one true God, why are
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> there so many flavors of the Christian faith? It would
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to me that there would only be one message not the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> variety one can choose from what we have now. The bible
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> clearly states God is a jealous God, so if he ( or she,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> or it ) is so powerful and jealous why do other gods
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> exist? He can just will them to non existence. Why are
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> there so many other religions besides the many that claim
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to be Christian? Is the Hebrew religion correct that
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus was not the messiah and the world is still waiting
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> for the messiah? Jesus said that he was to be dead and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> buried three days and nights like Jonah was in the belly
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of the fish three days and nights. How do you get three
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> days and nights when the story has Jesus dead and buried
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> just before evening on Friday and rising very early
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sunday morning? Is the flood story true? If it's true
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> that Jesus really did live, was killed and came back to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> life, it should not be so far fetched that the Egyptian
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and Roman gods as well as the gods of other ancient
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> people were real also. That their gods like Glycon,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Osiris, Dionysus, Pythagoras all older than Jesus must be
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> real and not myth.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> fully manifested in
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen Him
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> through Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour. (Jesus in John
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 14:6-10)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Atheists don't know our God and therefore can't see
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> manifestations of
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> love and care in human beings, and to the death if need
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> be, such as we see in Jesus Christ. (Jesus in John 3:3)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> In colossians 4:6 you are admonished to have an answer to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> very man. 2nd Timothy 2:15 study to show your self
>> >>>>>>>>>>> approved......... Yea you can quote a few verses, you don't
>> >>>>>>>>>>> know what they mean, like a computer running software, a
>> >>>>>>>>>>> robot. Is it ok to own slaves? Is owning a slave showing
>> >>>>>>>>>>> "love"? Is it showing "love" when you teach small children
>> >>>>>>>>>>> lies. Two of the lies are on a annual basis, and revolve
>> >>>>>>>>>>> around more fairy tales.
>> >>>>>>>>>> When I say: My "God is love", then I mean that my prime
>> >>>>>>>>>> ideal I seek to
>> >>>>>>>>>> live up to is love and care. Your god, that invisible old
>> >>>>>>>>>> ogre in the sky you love to hate, doesn't exist, and all
>> >>>>>>>>>> your hateful polemics above are pointless. Therefore my God
>> >>>>>>>>>> is real, and yours isn't.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> So you reject the bulk of the book you claim to be from a
>> >>>>>>>>> perfect god, twist what it says so you feel more comfortable.
>> >>>>>>>>> In other words make it up as you go along, all in the name of
>> >>>>>>>>> Jesus!
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> You have to do some editing
>> >>>>>>>> unless you are going to quote the whole Bible whenever someone
>> >>>>>>>> asks you a question.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> No, none needed. Seems to me your uncomfortable with " holy
>> >>>>>>> scripture"? I sure you get more passage quotes in church
>> >>>>>>> sermons.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>> You don't know much about language, do you? What does it mean
>> >>>>>> for you to understand words? Are you free to change their
>> >>>>>> meanings? If so, how are we going to do that
>> >>>>>> without making them unintelligible?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>> There we go again, does it mean this? Are you sure? Maybe it
>> >>>>> means that, I'm not 100 % sure.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> If you hate to think,
>> >>>> you can simply trust me.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> For whatever reason,
>> >>>> people love to do flat reasoning.
>> >>>> It is what we do when we mix up
>> >>>> all points of perspective and
>> >>>> see reality as if it's a still life.
>> >>>> It's quite comforting to do so.
>> >>>> But it's not the proper way to see reality.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hang in there.
>> >>>> I will figure out for you
>> >>>> how you can stop doing so.
>> >>>>
>> >>> The very basis of religion, " I will figure it out for you". That
>> >>> what you want in creating a paradox. There is no paradoxical
>> >>> tension here, at least on my part. I do not know you, I do not hold
>> >>> you accountable for the actions of religious groups. Any
>> >>> accountable action I hold towards you is in that you defend such
>> >>> actions and try to rationalize it by the use of what appears to be
>> >>> your favorite tool, the paradox.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Reality is mysterious.
>> >> Flat reasoning will not do.
>> >> I am going for the multidimensional dialectics.
>> >>
>> > Reality is not mysterious. Flat reasoning can most certainly do. I am
>> > sitting in my chair. I am am touching it. Quantum physics may say
>> > that because no solid object is really solid because there are spaces
>> > around our molecules. That because of this solid objects can pass
>> > through other solid objects with out damage to either object. The
>> > reality now says no. Other wise clothes would not stay on your body.
>> > You would not walk on the earth but fall through it. And in theory it
>> > is true, only at the atomic or sub-atomic level. The only reason you
>> > really use paradoxical circles is the same reason you choose your
>> > name monkfish. Both of which shows why you are posting in the groups.
>> >
>> >> Of course, we will see many paradoxes. They mark the boundaries of
>> >> our reason. Reality is bigger than our reason.
>> >>
>> >> So, we need to have faith in the scientific method. We also need to
>> >> realize that we need such faith. We need faith in our reason and in
>> >> meaningful life. Without such faith, we cannot do anything.
>> >>
>> >> So we ask what faith is.
>>
>> You seem to live in a simple and
>> artificial world of your own.
>> At least have a decency to ask
>> why there is so much suffering in this world.
>
>
> Simple. Because we are freak mammals. All animals kill, only the human
> one kills for the fun of it due to the warped brain that the
> evolutionary process managed to provide him with.
>
> Some get a kick out of killing, others are very content to spend a life
> time helping the under privileged, others spend a life time trying to
> perpetuate imaginary gods.
>
> It all results from the need for 'gratification' - the driving force of
> evolution
>
Are you going to stop talking as if you know,
any time soon?
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