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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If God is real, and there is only one true God, why are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there so many flavors of the Christian faith? It would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seem to me that there would only be one message not the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> variety one can choose from what we have now. The bible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> clearly states God is a jealous God, so if he ( or she, or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it ) is so powerful and jealous why do other gods exist?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He can just will them to non existence. Why are there so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many other religions besides the many that claim to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian? Is the Hebrew religion correct that Jesus was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not the messiah and the world is still waiting for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> messiah? Jesus said that he was to be dead and buried
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> three days and nights like Jonah was in the belly of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fish three days and nights. How do you get three days and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nights when the story has Jesus dead and buried just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> before evening on Friday and rising very early Sunday
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> morning? Is the flood story true? If it's true that Jesus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really did live, was killed and came back to life, it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should not be so far fetched that the Egyptian and Roman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gods as well as the gods of other ancient people were real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also. That their gods like Glycon, Osiris, Dionysus,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pythagoras all older than Jesus must be real and not myth.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manifested in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen Him
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> through Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour. (Jesus in John
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 14:6-10)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Atheists don't know our God and therefore can't see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> manifestations of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> love and care in human beings, and to the death if need be,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such as we see in Jesus Christ. (Jesus in John 3:3)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In colossians 4:6 you are admonished to have an answer to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> very man. 2nd Timothy 2:15 study to show your self
>>>>>>>>>>>>> approved......... Yea you can quote a few verses, you don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> know what they mean, like a computer running software, a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> robot. Is it ok to own slaves? Is owning a slave showing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "love"? Is it showing "love" when you teach small children
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lies. Two of the lies are on a annual basis, and revolve
>>>>>>>>>>>>> around more fairy tales.
>>>>>>>>>>>> When I say: My "God is love", then I mean that my prime
>>>>>>>>>>>> ideal I seek to
>>>>>>>>>>>> live up to is love and care. Your god, that invisible old
>>>>>>>>>>>> ogre in the sky you love to hate, doesn't exist, and all your
>>>>>>>>>>>> hateful polemics above are pointless. Therefore my God is
>>>>>>>>>>>> real, and yours isn't.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So you reject the bulk of the book you claim to be from a
>>>>>>>>>>> perfect god, twist what it says so you feel more comfortable.
>>>>>>>>>>> In other words make it up as you go along, all in the name of
>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You have to do some editing
>>>>>>>>>> unless you are going to quote the whole Bible whenever someone
>>>>>>>>>> asks you a question.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, none needed. Seems to me your uncomfortable with " holy
>>>>>>>>> scripture"? I sure you get more passage quotes in church
>>>>>>>>> sermons.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You don't know much about language, do you? What does it mean for
>>>>>>>> you to understand words? Are you free to change their meanings?
>>>>>>>> If so, how are we going to do that
>>>>>>>> without making them unintelligible?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There we go again, does it mean this? Are you sure? Maybe it means
>>>>>>> that, I'm not 100 % sure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you hate to think,
>>>>>> you can simply trust me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For whatever reason,
>>>>>> people love to do flat reasoning.
>>>>>> It is what we do when we mix up
>>>>>> all points of perspective and
>>>>>> see reality as if it's a still life.
>>>>>> It's quite comforting to do so.
>>>>>> But it's not the proper way to see reality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hang in there.
>>>>>> I will figure out for you
>>>>>> how you can stop doing so.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The very basis of religion, " I will figure it out for you". That
>>>>> what you want in creating a paradox. There is no paradoxical tension
>>>>> here, at least on my part. I do not know you, I do not hold you
>>>>> accountable for the actions of religious groups. Any accountable
>>>>> action I hold towards you is in that you defend such actions and try
>>>>> to rationalize it by the use of what appears to be your favorite
>>>>> tool, the paradox.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Reality is mysterious.
>>>> Flat reasoning will not do.
>>>> I am going for the multidimensional dialectics.
>>>>
>>> Reality is not mysterious. Flat reasoning can most certainly do. I am
>>> sitting in my chair. I am am touching it. Quantum physics may say that
>>> because no solid object is really solid because there are spaces
>>> around our molecules. That because of this solid objects can pass
>>> through other solid objects with out damage to either object. The
>>> reality now says no. Other wise clothes would not stay on your body.
>>> You would not walk on the earth but fall through it. And in theory it
>>> is true, only at the atomic or sub-atomic level. The only reason you
>>> really use paradoxical circles is the same reason you choose your name
>>> monkfish. Both of which shows why you are posting in the groups.
>>>
>>>> Of course, we will see many paradoxes. They mark the boundaries of
>>>> our reason. Reality is bigger than our reason.
>>>>
>>>> So, we need to have faith in the scientific method. We also need to
>>>> realize that we need such faith. We need faith in our reason and in
>>>> meaningful life. Without such faith, we cannot do anything.
>>>>
>>>> So we ask what faith is.
>>
>>
>> You seem to live in a simple and
>> artificial world of your own.
>> At least have a decency to ask
>> why there is so much suffering in this world.
>>
> I never asked, I know why.
Wonderful.
why is there so much suffering in this world?
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