monkfish wrote:
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> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:33:47 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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> > "monkfish" <monkfish@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:23:40 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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> >>>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:39:32 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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> >>>>>> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:22:15 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:16:18 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If God is real, and there is only one true God, why are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> there so many flavors of the Christian faith? It would
seem
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> to me that there would only be one message not the variety
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> one can choose from what we have now. The bible clearly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> states God is a jealous God, so if he ( or she, or it ) is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> so powerful and jealous why do other gods exist? He can
just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> will them to non existence. Why are there so many other
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> religions besides the many that claim to be Christian? Is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> the Hebrew religion correct that Jesus was not the messiah
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and the world is still waiting for the messiah? Jesus said
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> that he was to be dead and buried three days and nights
like
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jonah was in the belly of the fish three days and nights.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you get three days and nights when the story has
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus dead and buried just before evening on Friday and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> rising very early Sunday morning? Is the flood story true?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If it's true that Jesus really did live, was killed and
came
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> back to life, it should not be so far fetched that the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Egyptian and Roman gods as well as the gods of other
ancient
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> people were real also. That their gods like Glycon,
Osiris,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dionysus, Pythagoras all older than Jesus must be real and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> not myth.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) become fully
> >>>>>>>>>>>> manifested in
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the cross of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen Him
through
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Atheists don't know our God and therefore can't see
> >>>>>>>>>>>> manifestations of
> >>>>>>>>>>>> love and care in human beings, and to the death if need be,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> such as we see in Jesus Christ. (Jesus in John 3:3)
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> In colossians 4:6 you are admonished to have an answer to
very
> >>>>>>>>>>> man. 2nd Timothy 2:15 study to show your self
> >>>>>>>>>>> approved......... Yea you can quote a few verses, you don't
> >>>>>>>>>>> know what they mean, like a computer running software, a
> >>>>>>>>>>> robot. Is it ok to own slaves? Is owning a slave showing
> >>>>>>>>>>> "love"? Is it showing "love" when you teach small children
> >>>>>>>>>>> lies. Two of the lies are on a annual basis, and revolve
> >>>>>>>>>>> around more fairy tales.
> >>>>>>>>>> When I say: My "God is love", then I mean that my prime
> >>>>>>>>>> ideal I seek to
> >>>>>>>>>> live up to is love and care. Your god, that invisible old
ogre
> >>>>>>>>>> in the sky you love to hate, doesn't exist, and all your
> >>>>>>>>>> hateful polemics above are pointless. Therefore my God is
real,
> >>>>>>>>>> and yours isn't.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> So you reject the bulk of the book you claim to be from a
> >>>>>>>>> perfect god, twist what it says so you feel more comfortable.
In
> >>>>>>>>> other words make it up as you go along, all in the name of
> >>>>>>>>> Jesus!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You have to do some editing
> >>>>>>>> unless you are going to quote the whole Bible whenever someone
> >>>>>>>> asks you a question.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> No, none needed. Seems to me your uncomfortable with " holy
> >>>>>>> scripture"? I sure you get more passage quotes in church
sermons.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> You don't know much about language, do you? What does it mean for
> >>>>>> you to understand words? Are you free to change their meanings?
If
> >>>>>> so, how are we going to do that
> >>>>>> without making them unintelligible?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> There we go again, does it mean this? Are you sure? Maybe it means
> >>>>> that, I'm not 100 % sure.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> If you hate to think,
> >>>> you can simply trust me.
> >>>>
> >>>> For whatever reason,
> >>>> people love to do flat reasoning.
> >>>> It is what we do when we mix up
> >>>> all points of perspective and
> >>>> see reality as if it's a still life.
> >>>> It's quite comforting to do so.
> >>>> But it's not the proper way to see reality.
> >>>>
> >>>> Hang in there.
> >>>> I will figure out for you
> >>>> how you can stop doing so.
> >>>>
> >>> The very basis of religion, " I will figure it out for you". That
what
> >>> you want in creating a paradox. There is no paradoxical tension
here,
> >>> at least on my part. I do not know you, I do not hold you
accountable
> >>> for the actions of religious groups. Any accountable action I hold
> >>> towards you is in that you defend such actions and try to
rationalize
> >>> it by the use of what appears to be your favorite tool, the paradox.
> >>
> >>
> >> Reality is mysterious.
> >> Flat reasoning will not do.
> >> I am going for the multidimensional dialectics.
> >>
> > Reality is not mysterious. Flat reasoning can most certainly do. I am
> > sitting in my chair. I am am touching it. Quantum physics may say that
> > because no solid object is really solid because there are spaces
around
> > our molecules. That because of this solid objects can pass through
other
> > solid objects with out damage to either object. The reality now says
no.
> > Other wise clothes would not stay on your body. You would not walk on
> > the earth but fall through it. And in theory it is true, only at the
> > atomic or sub-atomic level. The only reason you really use paradoxical
> > circles is the same reason you choose your name monkfish. Both of
which
> > shows why you are posting in the groups.
> >
> >> Of course, we will see many paradoxes. They mark the boundaries of
our
> >> reason. Reality is bigger than our reason.
> >>
> >> So, we need to have faith in the scientific method. We also need to
> >> realize that we need such faith. We need faith in our reason and in
> >> meaningful life. Without such faith, we cannot do anything.
> >>
> >> So we ask what faith is.
>
> You seem to live in a simple and
> artificial world of your own.
> At least have a decency to ask
> why there is so much suffering in this world.
Simple. Because we are freak mammals. All animals kill,
only the human one kills for the fun of it due to the warped
brain that the evolutionary process managed to provide him with.
Some get a kick out of killing, others are very content to
spend a life time helping the under privileged, others spend
a life time trying to perpetuate imaginary gods.
It all results from the need for 'gratification' - the
driving force of evolution
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> monkfish * alt.atheism is removed from the header
> because atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing
> and as such it is prohibited by their undebatable policy.
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