On Sat, 10 May 2008 10:17:00 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
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>
>"Bill M" <wmech@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> "monkfish" <monkfish@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> Bill M wrote:
>>>> "monkfish" <monkfish@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>> Bill M wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I keep seeing post where the poster claims there is only ONE real
God.
>>>>>> (There God)
>>>>>> How do you know which God is real (if any) and which are false?
What
>>>>>> objective verifiable evidence do you have that your God is REAL???
>>>>>> Why does any REAL God permit all these false Gods to mislead his
>>>>>> flock???
>>>>>
>>>>> Again?
>>>>> How many pictures of you do you have?
>>>>> Which one is the real you?
>>>>> Do they all look the same?
>>>>> Did you look the same as now
>>>>> when you were two years old?
>>>>> Do you really think you look as pretty
>>>>> to others as to your mother?
>>>>> Which one are you going to keep?
>>>>> Your family photo?
>>>>> Hey, your son looks just like you!
>>>>> Is he you as well?
>>>>
>>>> Still weaving and dodging because you can't answer the question???
>>>
>>> Still clueless?
>>
>> Your still dodging and weaving.
>>
>>> All the gods you know are idols.
>>
>> In your unsubstantiated 'opinion'! What evidence do you have that your
God
>> is real and all the others are just idols???
>>
>>> God cannot be known to people without faith.
>>
>> I was raised a Catholic, attended both a Catholic grade school and high
>> school and sereved as an alter boy.
>> Does this sound like a person without faith???
>>
>>> Would you like to get some faith?
>>
>> I would like for you to supply me with objective verifiable evidence
and
>> proof that your God exists outside of your imagination. Your totally
>> unsubstantiated 'opinion' is not very convincing!
>>
> Why would you be looking for answers from us, when Christ, our God
>incarnate, explained the concept in detail to Philip, who btw also asked
>Christ to produce His God via "objective verifiable evidence and
> proof"? Do you REALLY think any of us can do better than Christ Himself?
>See below
>
Hi Pasture Frank,
You can't just delve into the holy mantra of the Christian dogma to
try to prove a point. The disciples that the Catholic Church deemed
acceptable were cherry picked and likely as not colored their, less
than objective, beliefs to fit their ideas of what humans should be
like.
First prove God - then we can quibble over his attributes, and what he
may have said or didn't say.
Humans are screwed up and they understood that much - but putting an
even more screwed up religion and gospel into some semblance of a
moral code (is, quite frankly, a good idea) that the religions control
is a recipe for - well, recipe for what we have - the death of a
pretty nice planet at the hands of men.
>Pastor Frank
>
> "GOD" THE CHRISTIAN MEANING OF THE WORD ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE:
> Jesus in Jn:4:24: "GOD IS A SPIRIT, and they that wor****p him must
>wor****p him in spirit and in truth."
> Jesus in John 14:6-10: Jesus saith unto him: "I am the way, the
truth,
>and the life; no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known
me,
>ye should have known my Father also, and from henceforth YE KNOW HIM AND
>HAVE SEEN HIM."
> Philip saith unto him: "Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth
us."
>Jesus saith unto him: "Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast
>thou not known me, Philip? HE THAT HAS SEEN ME HATH SEEN THE FATHER;
>and how sayest thou then: Show us the Father? Believest thou not that I
am
>in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak unto you I
speak
>not of myself, but the FATHER THAT DWELLETH IN ME, HE DOETH THE WORKS."
> Jesus in Jn:10:30: I and my Father are one.
> Jesus in John 12:44-46`Then Jesus cried out and said, "He who
believes
>in me, believes not in me but in Him who sent me. And he who sees me sees
>Him who sent Me. I have come as a light into the world, that whoever
>believes in me should not abide in darkness."
> Jesus in Lk 17:20-21: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when
>the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said: "The kingdom
of
>God cometh not with observation. Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo
>there! For, behold, the kingdom of GOD IS WITHIN YOU."
> 1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
> 1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to
us.
>GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in
him.
> Jesus in Jn:13:34: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love
one
>another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
> Jesus in Jn:13:35: By this shall all men know that ye are my
disciples,
>if ye have love one to another.
> Jesus in Jn:15:12-13: This is my commandment: That ye love one
another,
>as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay
down
>his life for his friends.
> Acts:17:28: For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as
certain
>also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
> Proverbs 10:22 God is nearer than our own soul, closer than our most
>secret thoughts.
>
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