On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:50:35 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2008 18:46:01 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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>>>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 23:00:03 -0500, bob young wrote:
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>>>>> monkfish wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 04:15:01 -0500, bob young wrote:
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>>>>>> > monkfish wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:33:47 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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>>>>>> >> > "monkfish" <monkfish@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>> >> >> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:23:40 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >>> "monkfish" <monkfish@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>> >> >>>> On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 00:39:32 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
>>>>>> >> >>>>
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>>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:22:15 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>
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>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Apr 2008 10:16:18 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> "Fred Jones" <sup****tsystem@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If God is real, and there is only one true God,
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> why are there so many flavors of the Christian
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> faith? It would seem to me that there would only
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> be one message not the variety one can choose from
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> what we have now. The bible clearly states God is
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> a jealous God, so if he ( or she, or it ) is so
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> powerful and jealous why do other gods exist? He
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> can just will them to non existence. Why are there
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> so many other religions besides the many that
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> claim to be Christian? Is the Hebrew religion
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> correct that Jesus was not the messiah and the
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> world is still waiting for the messiah? Jesus said
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> that he was to be dead and buried three days and
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> nights like Jonah was in the belly of the fish
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> three days and nights. How do you get three days
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> and nights when the story has Jesus dead and
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> buried just before evening on Friday and rising
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> very early Sunday morning? Is the flood story
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> true? If it's true that Jesus really did live, was
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> killed and came back to life, it should not be so
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> far fetched that the Egyptian and Roman gods as
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> well as the gods of other ancient people were real
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> also. That their gods like Glycon, Osiris,
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dionysus, Pythagoras all older than Jesus must be
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> real and not myth.
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16)
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> become fully manifested in
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> cross of Calvary. We therefore know our God and
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> have seen Him through Jesus Christ, our Lord and
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Saviour. (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Atheists don't know our God and therefore can't
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> see manifestations of
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> love and care in human beings, and to the death if
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> need be, such as we see in Jesus Christ. (Jesus in
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> John 3:3)
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> In colossians 4:6 you are admonished to have an
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> answer to very man. 2nd Timothy 2:15 study to show
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> your self approved......... Yea you can quote a few
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> verses, you don't know what they mean, like a
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> computer running software, a robot. Is it ok to own
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> slaves? Is owning a slave showing "love"? Is it
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> showing "love" when you teach small children lies.
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Two of the lies are on a annual basis, and revolve
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>> around more fairy tales.
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> When I say: My "God is love", then I mean that my
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> prime ideal I seek to
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> live up to is love and care. Your god, that invisible
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> old ogre in the sky you love to hate, doesn't exist,
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> and all your hateful polemics above are pointless.
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> Therefore my God is real, and yours isn't.
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> So you reject the bulk of the book you claim to be
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> from a perfect god, twist what it says so you feel
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> more comfortable. In other words make it up as you go
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>> along, all in the name of Jesus!
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> You have to do some editing
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> unless you are going to quote the whole Bible whenever
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> someone asks you a question.
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> No, none needed. Seems to me your uncomfortable with "
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> holy scripture"? I sure you get more passage quotes in
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> church sermons.
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>>>>> You don't know much about language, do you? What does it
>>>>>> >> >>>>>> mean for you to understand words? Are you free to change
>>>>>> >> >>>>>> their meanings? If so, how are we going to do that
>>>>>> >> >>>>>> without making them unintelligible?
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >> >>>>> There we go again, does it mean this? Are you sure? Maybe
>>>>>> >> >>>>> it means that, I'm not 100 % sure.
>>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >> >>>> If you hate to think,
>>>>>> >> >>>> you can simply trust me.
>>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >> >>>> For whatever reason,
>>>>>> >> >>>> people love to do flat reasoning.
>>>>>> >> >>>> It is what we do when we mix up
>>>>>> >> >>>> all points of perspective and
>>>>>> >> >>>> see reality as if it's a still life.
>>>>>> >> >>>> It's quite comforting to do so.
>>>>>> >> >>>> But it's not the proper way to see reality.
>>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >> >>>> Hang in there.
>>>>>> >> >>>> I will figure out for you
>>>>>> >> >>>> how you can stop doing so.
>>>>>> >> >>>>
>>>>>> >> >>> The very basis of religion, " I will figure it out for you".
>>>>>> >> >>> That what you want in creating a paradox. There is no
>>>>>> >> >>> paradoxical tension here, at least on my part. I do not know
>>>>>> >> >>> you, I do not hold you accountable for the actions of
>>>>>> >> >>> religious groups. Any accountable action I hold towards you
>>>>>> >> >>> is in that you defend such actions and try to rationalize it
>>>>>> >> >>> by the use of what appears to be your favorite tool, the
>>>>>> >> >>> paradox.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> Reality is mysterious.
>>>>>> >> >> Flat reasoning will not do.
>>>>>> >> >> I am going for the multidimensional dialectics.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> > Reality is not mysterious. Flat reasoning can most certainly
>>>>>> >> > do. I am sitting in my chair. I am am touching it. Quantum
>>>>>> >> > physics may say that because no solid object is really solid
>>>>>> >> > because there are spaces around our molecules. That because of
>>>>>> >> > this solid objects can pass through other solid objects with
>>>>>> >> > out damage to either object. The reality now says no. Other
>>>>>> >> > wise clothes would not stay on your body. You would not walk
>>>>>> >> > on the earth but fall through it. And in theory it is true,
>>>>>> >> > only at the atomic or sub-atomic level. The only reason you
>>>>>> >> > really use paradoxical circles is the same reason you choose
>>>>>> >> > your name monkfish. Both of which shows why you are posting in
>>>>>> >> > the groups.
>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>> >> >> Of course, we will see many paradoxes. They mark the
>>>>>> >> >> boundaries of our reason. Reality is bigger than our reason.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> So, we need to have faith in the scientific method. We also
>>>>>> >> >> need to realize that we need such faith. We need faith in our
>>>>>> >> >> reason and in meaningful life. Without such faith, we cannot
>>>>>> >> >> do anything.
>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>> >> >> So we ask what faith is.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> You seem to live in a simple and
>>>>>> >> artificial world of your own.
>>>>>> >> At least have a decency to ask
>>>>>> >> why there is so much suffering in this world.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Simple. Because we are freak mammals. All animals kill, only
>>>>>> > the human one kills for the fun of it due to the warped brain
>>>>>> > that the evolutionary process managed to provide him with.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Some get a kick out of killing, others are very content to spend
>>>>>> > a life time helping the under privileged, others spend a life
>>>>>> > time trying to perpetuate imaginary gods.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > It all results from the need for 'gratification' - the driving
>>>>>> > force of evolution
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> Are you going to stop talking as if you know, any time soon?
>>>>>
>>>>> Aaaah, I see that had you thinking.
>>>>>
>>>>> Progress, AT LAST.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob
>>>>>
>>>>> Man of old, the savage,
>>>>> formed the belief,
>>>>> the eruption of the volcano
>>>>> was god's expression of grief.
>>>>>
>>>>> Man believed the lightning bolt,
>>>>> for the crops - a blessing of rain,
>>>>> the curse of flood lending starvation, was spewed from heavenly
>>>>> gates.
>>>>>
>>>>> Man believed he could calm divine wrath, through sacrifice of a
>>>>> virgin pure,
>>>>> though blood appeased him not,
>>>>> how the quake continues to tremble the earth.
>>>>>
>>>>> Man believed the sting of a bee,
>>>>> the fangs of the serpent, the teeth of a bear were all signs of
>>>>> divine things,
>>>>> deities by the dozens, some invented in pairs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Silly superstitions thrive to this day, if not for the rationalist,
>>>>> skeptic,
>>>>> and freethinker,
>>>>> where would we be?
>>>>>
>>>>> In Church thumping Bibles, that's where! See, we've came a long way.
>>>>> Instead of cracking virgins' skulls,
>>>>>
>>>>> [with acknowledgements to: Sharon]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> In many countries,
>>>> Christianity is the one which conquered superstition.
>>>
>>> Now thats funny!
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Do you believe in luck?
>
> Do you?
>>
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>> atheists there consider quoting the Bible proselytizing and as such it
>> is prohibited by their undebatable policy.
I don't think so.
But I do use the term a lot,
probably as a shorthand for something.
Never had chance to analyze it properly.
Do you play lottery?
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