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Re: gods flood

by bob young <alaspectrum@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Apr 24, 2008 at 05:34 AM

Fred Jones wrote:
> 
> Have you ever taken the time to read the Bible's story of Noah's flood?
And have
> you ever pondered what this story's position in the Bible might actually
mean?
> While there are many people who consider the Bible, and therefore Noah's
story,
> to be literally true, most educated and intelligent people understand
that the
> story of Noah's flood is a myth. They understand that Mt. Everest was
never
> covered in flood water, they understand that the ark could not hold the
millions
> of species that are now found on earth, and they understand that there
is no DNA
> evidence to show that all animals on earth came from single breeding
pairs just
> a few thousand years ago.
> 
> But there is one part of the story of Noah's Ark that deserves special
> recognition. It shows us something about God that is quite unsettling to
any
> intelligent person who takes the time to consider his actions. That
special
> section is this:
> 
>   God senselessly murdered millions of humans and billions of animals in
the
> flood
> How do we know it was senseless? Because "God" is supposed to be
"all-knowing"
> and "all-powerful." If God were to exist, God would know what was coming
when he
> created Adam and Eve. Therefore, God knew he would be murdering millions
of
> people.
> This realization leads to an obvious question: Why didn't God simply
speed up
> Jesus' arrival to avoid the atrocity that is the flood? Or why didn't
God
> program Adam and Eve when he created them to completely cir***vent the
need for
> such a horrendous atrocity?
> 
> You may have never considered this question, but it is exquisitely
im****tant.
> Because the flood is an atrocity of the highest order. It is mass murder
on a
> global scale.

Ah yes, but it is a lovely story for the young at heart,
brings out gasps of amazment and the "Ooohs"  and th
"aaaahs' and once you have got 'em at that early age there's
a strong change you got 'em for life, as many posters here
tend to show
> 
> The idea that Christians would accept a mass-murderer as their object of
wor****p
> shows us something about Christians, does it not? Think about it

aye but are they not programmed 'not to think'?

 - By
> (supposedly) murdering nearly every human on the planet, the Christian
God is
> far more heinous than Hitler. No "loving" and "perfect" being can also
be a
> mass-murderer bent of global genocide. Yet Christians willfully wor****p
him.
> Why?
> 
> If you are a Christian, I would ask you to simply look inside yourself
today.
> Why would you accept a mass murderer into your life?
> 
> And Noah's flood is not the only place where God displays these horrific
> tendencies toward mindless slaughter. Here are several other examples.
> 
> In the book of Exodus chapter 12 verse 28, God writes about one of his
early
> massacres:
> 
>   So the people of Israel did just as the LORD had commanded through
Moses and
> Aaron. And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the
land of
> Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the
> firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their
> livestock were killed. Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of
Egypt
> woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land
of
> Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died.
> Here the death of the children is directly at the hand of God.
> In Isaiah chapter 13, God paints this word picture:
> 
>   Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little
children
> will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be
sacked and
> their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes
against
> Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The
attacking armies
> will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on
> helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.
> Is this the imprint of a "loving" God?
> In Jeremiah chapter 49, verse 20, God paints a similar picture:
> 
>   Therefore hear the plan which the LORD has made against Edom and the
purposes
> which he has formed against the inhabitants of Teman: Even the little
ones of
> the flock shall be dragged away; surely their fold shall be appalled at
their
> fate. At the sound of their fall the earth shall tremble; the sound of
their cry
> shall be heard at the Red Sea.
> In Hosea chapter 13, God paints a similar picture:
>   Samaria shall bear her guilt, because she has rebelled against her
God; they
> shall fall by the sword, their little ones shall be dashed in pieces,
and their
> pregnant women ripped open.
> In Numbers chapter 31, God paints a similar picture:
>   Moses said to them, "Have you let all the women live? Behold, these
caused the
> people of Israel, by the counsel of Balaam, to act treacherously against
the
> LORD in the matter of Pe'or, and so the plague came among the
congregation of
> the LORD. Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill
every
> woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who
have not
> known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
> Here Moses, acting as an agent of God, specifies that thousands of male
babies
> and children be killed, as well as thousands of women. The Bible states
in verse
> 35 that the captured women numbered "thirty-two thousand persons in all,
women
> who had not known man by lying with him." This was not a small attack.
Tens of
> thousands men, women and children were massacred.
> In Deuteronomy Chapter 3 we find this:
> 
>   Next we turned and went up along the road toward Bashan, and Og king
of Bashan
> with his whole army marched out to meet us in battle at Edrei. The LORD
said to
> me, "Do not be afraid of him, for I have handed him over to you with his
whole
> army and his land. Do to him what you did to Sihon king of the Amorites,
who
> reigned in Heshbon." So the LORD our God also gave into our hands Og
king of
> Bashan and all his army. We struck them down, leaving no survivors. At
that time
> we took all his cities. There was not one of the sixty cities that we
did not
> take from them-the whole region of Argob, Og's kingdom in Bashan. All
these
> cities were fortified with high walls and with gates and bars, and there
were
> also a great many unwalled villages. We completely destroyed them, as we
had
> done with Sihon king of Heshbon, destroying every city-men, women and
children.
> But all the livestock and the plunder from their cities we carried off
for
> ourselves.
> They massacred all the men, women and children in 60 cities at God's
request.
> Even in the "New Testament" we find the same sort of thing. In the book
of
> Matthew, chapter 2, mixed into the Christmas story, the Bible describes
an
> amazing massacre of thousands of babies:
> 
>   And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with
Mary his
> mother, and fell down, and wor****pped him: and when they had opened
their
> treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and
myrrh. And
> being warned of God in a dream that they should not return to Herod,
they
> departed into their own country another way. And when they were
departed,
> behold, the angel of the Lord appeareth to Joseph in a dream, saying,
Arise, and
> take the young child and his mother, and flee into Egypt, and be thou
there
> until I bring thee word: for Herod will seek the young child to destroy
him.
> When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and
departed
> into Egypt: And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be
fulfilled
> which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I
called
> my son. Then Herod, when he saw that he was mocked of the wise men, was
> exceeding wroth, and sent forth, and slew all the children that were in
> Bethlehem, and in all the coasts thereof, from two years old and under,
> according to the time which he had diligently enquired of the wise men.
Then was
> fulfilled that which was spoken by Jeremiah the prophet, saying, In Rama
was
> there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning,
Rachel
> weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are
not.
> Think about the thousands of families who were affected by this
massacre. The
> Bible describes their suffering: they wept and could not be comforted.
Of course
> they could not be comforted. If you are a parent, you know exactly how
> distraught you would feel if an agent of the government came to your
door one
> morning and slaughtered your children.
> Why would God do this? Why would you want anything to do with such a
muderous,
> horrific being? What can we say about people who would want to believe
in such a
> being? Why would any normal, intelligent, ethical human being "wor****p"
such a
> heinous, demented and despicable "god" as this?
> 
> It is impossible for a "perfect" and "loving" being to also be heinous,
demented
> and despicable. As an intelligent person, you should be able to see
that.
> 
> This impossibility tells us that God is imaginary.
 




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"Fred Jones" &l  2008-04-24 01:31:48 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-04-24 05:34:02 
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"Fred Jones" &l  2008-04-24 21:32:35 
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"Pastor Frank"   2008-04-26 11:05:02 
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"Pastor Frank"   2008-04-25 02:11:44 
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"Fred Jones" &l  2008-04-25 08:14:05 
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"Pastor Frank"   2008-04-26 23:24:47 
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"Fred Jones" &l  2008-04-27 09:53:01 
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"Fred Jones" &l  2008-04-25 01:03:09 
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"Pastor Frank"   2008-04-26 10:56:14 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-04-25 01:36:09 
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"Pastor Frank"   2008-04-26 23:09:34 
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"Pastor Frank"   2008-04-25 02:02:55 
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"Fred Jones" &l  2008-04-25 08:23:18 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-04-25 23:10:01 
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"Pastor Frank"   2008-04-28 19:08:08 
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"Pastor Frank"   2008-04-26 23:29:07 
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"Fred Jones" &l  2008-04-27 10:22:23 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-04-28 00:31:02 
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J666 <j666@[EMAIL PROT  2008-04-25 08:46:17 
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"Pastor Frank"   2008-04-26 23:31:54 
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monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-04-25 12:31:03 
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monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-04-25 13:31:23 
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monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-04-25 13:42:15 
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monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-04-25 13:45:20 
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monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-04-25 14:09:13 
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monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-04-25 14:14:08 
Please continue to pray for dear convicted friend MonkFish... cl
"Andrew B. Chung, MD  2008-04-25 14:32:09 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-04-25 23:09:01 
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"Pastor Frank"   2008-04-28 19:00:13 
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Bill Bowden <wrongaddr  2008-04-25 21:35:04 
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"Bill M" <wm  2008-04-26 11:44:41 
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"Pastor Frank"   2008-04-28 22:33:00 
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"Pastor Frank"   2008-04-28 19:14:48 
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monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-04-26 10:25:28 
Extreme flat reasoning.
monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-04-26 10:38:38 
silliness of flat reasoning
monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-04-26 10:41:44 
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monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-04-26 16:19:31 
Re: silliness of flat reasoning
Bill Bowden <wrongaddr  2008-04-26 16:47:27 
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monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-04-26 19:57:46 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-04-26 21:30:04 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-04-26 21:32:02 
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monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-04-26 22:37:58 
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"Fred Jones" &l  2008-04-26 23:55:03 
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monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-04-26 22:38:51 
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monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-04-27 17:30:16 
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"Fred Jones" &l  2008-04-27 18:42:34 
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"Semper LibčrŽ   2008-04-27 23:18:05 
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"Pastor Frank"   2008-05-19 04:15:51 
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bob young <alaspectrum  2008-05-20 04:56:02 
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Thom Madura <Tommadura  2008-05-21 22:15:09 
What does it mean for you to sin?
monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-04-27 19:58:21 
Re: What does it mean for you to sin?
"Fred Jones" &l  2008-04-27 21:42:19 
Re: What does it mean for you to sin?
duke <duckgumbo32@[EMA  2008-04-28 10:44:29 
Re: What does it mean for you to sin?
monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-04-27 21:41:26 
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"Fred Jones" &l  2008-04-27 22:45:47 
Re: What does it mean for you to sin?
"Pastor Frank"   2008-05-14 08:05:33 
Re: What does it mean for you to sin?
"Adonis" <ze  2008-05-15 00:57:59 
Re: silliness of flat reasoning
Bill Bowden <wrongaddr  2008-04-27 20:07:00 
Re: What does it mean for you to sin?
monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-04-27 22:23:47 
Re: What does it mean for you to sin?
"Fred Jones" &l  2008-04-28 08:00:36 
Re: silliness of flat reasoning
monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-04-27 22:55:16 
Re: gods flood
bob young <alaspectrum  2008-04-28 00:07:02 
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"Pastor Frank"   2008-05-15 08:57:30 
Re: gods flood
bob young <alaspectrum  2008-05-16 04:29:01 
Re: What does it mean for you to sin?
bob young <alaspectrum  2008-04-28 00:11:08 
Re: What does it mean for you to sin?
"Pastor Frank"   2008-05-15 09:10:44 
Re: What does it mean for you to sin?
"Andrew B. Chung, MD  2008-04-28 03:41:52 
Re: silliness of flat reasoning
Risto Karttunen <tipsu  2008-04-28 05:36:13 
God is prior to existence.
monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-04-28 10:28:20 
Are time and space prior to existence?
monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-04-28 10:31:45 
Re: Are time and space prior to existence?
duke <duckgumbo32@[EMA  2008-04-28 10:38:01 
Re: Are time and space prior to existence?
"SheBlewHimDidYouBlo  2008-04-28 16:32:23 
Re: Are time and space prior to existence?
"Pastor Frank"   2008-04-29 07:22:37 
what it means for time to be prior to existence
monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-04-28 10:34:59 
what it means for us to love our enemies
monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-04-28 10:38:14 
Re: What does it mean for you to sin?
monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-04-28 11:04:52 
Re: silliness of flat reasoning
monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-04-28 11:18:20 
Re: God is prior to existence.
Father Haskell <father  2008-04-28 14:08:08 
Re: God is prior to existence.
bob young <alaspectrum  2008-04-28 21:43:03 
Re: God is prior to existence.
monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-04-28 23:49:11 
Re: God is prior to existence.
"Pastor Frank"   2008-04-30 11:12:34 
Re: God is prior to existence.
bob young <alaspectrum  2008-04-30 21:54:50 
Re: God is prior to existence.
monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-04-30 23:00:35 
Re: what it means for time to be prior to existence
bob young <alaspectrum  2008-04-28 21:44:03 
Re: what it means for time to be prior to existence
monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-04-28 23:39:51 
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Bill Bowden <wrongaddr  2008-04-28 21:57:01 
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"Pastor Frank"   2008-04-30 11:29:52 
Re: gods flood
"Andrew B. Chung, MD  2008-04-29 01:49:35 
Re: gods flood
monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-04-29 07:24:39 
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Bill Bowden <wrongaddr  2008-04-29 18:10:48 
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monkfish <monkfish@[EM  2008-04-29 20:33:56 
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Bill Bowden <wrongaddr  2008-04-30 18:37:35 

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