On Mon, 21 Apr 2008 00:38:52 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 23:48:15 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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>>>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:55:25 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:04:52 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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>>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 20:29:29 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
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>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:48:47 -0400, Fred Jones wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If god is perfect, why does it make mistakes? Being human, I
>>>>>>>>>>> make mistakes, so I have at least reached gods
>>>>>>>>>>> perfection................does that mean the kingdom is here
>>>>>>>>>>> now? Is there a point on a map that I can drive to it?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Good questions, but confused ones.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "If God is perfect" according to His own standard, "why does
>>>>>>>>>> [God] make mistakes" according to our standard?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The manuscript a believer likes to state as fact is full of gods
>>>>>>>>> mistakes. A being that is all knowing would make a perfect being
>>>>>>>>> that will always obey. The "fallen angle" is a good example.A
>>>>>>>>> perfect creator would make a perfect being that would never
>>>>>>>>> betray the creator. If in the out side chance something did go
>>>>>>>>> wrong would create a fail safe to reverse the mistake, knowing
>>>>>>>>> that it would never have to use the failsafe. Kind of a paradox.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you were a fruit fly
>>>>>>>> sitting on an apple
>>>>>>>> in the studio of an artist,
>>>>>>>> it would be difficult for you
>>>>>>>> to understand her pictures.
>>>>>>>> But with enough humility,
>>>>>>>> you might figure out that
>>>>>>>> there's more to your life
>>>>>>>> than an apple.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well if the fruit fly were sitting on an apple in the artist
>>>>>>> studio, and had the intellect to ponder the meaning of a picture,
>>>>>>> or even have some amount of admiration of the work. It would say
>>>>>>> to it's self, self that's a nice picture. But, I do not have the
>>>>>>> time to ponder it, my life cycle is so short I must be off to
>>>>>>> mate. If I do not mate my genes will not be passed on and I will
>>>>>>> die in vain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are not fruit flies.
>>>>>> So in between mating and all that,
>>>>>> we contemplate about the artist
>>>>>> who created everything around us.
>>>>>> If we are lucky, we might be able
>>>>>> to see the still life with us in it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> So why use a metaphor? Contemplate the artist? No, don't think so.
>>>>> Luck? No such thing. Created? Created what? Are you saying your
>>>>> ambiguous parable is about god?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Do you know what God is?
>>>
>>> A pigment of intoxication. A myth that predates "biblical" history.
>>> Folklore. God is nothing but an idea, a concept, a thought kept alive
>>> by delusion.
>>>
>>>
>> So, you know many idols.
>> Do you know what money is?
>
> A lot of things, an idol, a god. A medium of exchange. The definition
> varies according to whom you are asking, and in what context the
> question is in.
>>
If you are completely lost,
you might be interested in figuring out
whether God exists in a way money exists.
Do you believe in money?
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