On Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:45:03 -0500, bob young wrote:
> Pastor Frank wrote:
>
>> "monkfish" <monkfish@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> news:S5CdnYg2tI3MGZzVnZ2dnUVZ_scAAAAA@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 22:20:45 -0500, J666 wrote:
>> >> On Sat, 12 Apr 2008 20:11:14 -0500, Pastor Frank wrote (in message
>> >> <e6bd$480172f6$d1d89a7e$31208@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>):
>> >>>
>> >>> I don't think you are talking to one who can understand long
>> >>> phrases
>> >>> such as " common frame of reference". He has no frame of reference
>> >>> to do so, and is reduced to the mere repetitive chanting of atheist
>> >>> mantras.
>> >>
>> >> Then why don't you set out for all to see your meaning so everyone
>> >> is talking about the same thing -we have to agree on meaning and
>> >> oonnotations of words and pharses to have any discussion. The other
>> >> thing needed for an adult discussion is the recognize that good
>> >> people can disagree - if not it ends up as a shouting match or name
>> >> calling.
>> >
>> > Wonderful!
>> > What are the basic concepts you have to have to discuss God and
>> > humanity and the world? Time and space?
>> > Existence?
>> > Meaning?
>> > Is it meaningful to say that
>> > time and space exist?
>> > If so, what does it mean for them to exist? Do they exist prior to
>> > language?
>> > If so, how do we prove that?
>> > How do we prove anything
>> > if it is prior to language?
>> > What does it mean for anything
>> > to be prior to language?
>> > Is your feeling prior to language?
>> > Is your awareness prior to language?
>> > Is light prior to language?
>> > Where do you wanna start?
>> > monkfish
>> >
>> Too many questions and too few answers? That is why we look to the
>> Bible
>> for answers J666, and there it says in John 1:1-14 that in the
>> beginning was the word / language and the word became flesh / reality
>> ...in Jesus Christ. The implications are enormous and Monkfish lists
>> some of them.
>
> 'Enormous implications' from some desert dweller who, if trans****ted to
> the here and now, would be incapable of relating to humans in 2008 ??!!!
>
> ..........and you wonder why there are atheists !
No.
People seem to be born an atheist.
Full of sin and ignorance.
They learn to be a Christian later on.
But we will figure this out much later.
If it's too difficult to start with God
as the ultimate point of reference,
we can start with God as love.
Do you think there is love?
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monkfish
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