"bob young" <alaspectrum@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Willy wrote:
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>> "bob young" <alaspectrum@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> > steveo wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Willy" <willyk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> > "Pastor Frank" <PF@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> > news:475752eb$0$26041$88260bb3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >> "Willy" <willyk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >> news:85F5j.3007$Vq.2099@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >>> "**Rowland Croucher**"
>> >> >>> <rccroucher@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >>> wrote in message
>> >> >>> news:474f97d2$0$3101$afc38c87@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >>>> Willy wrote:
>> >> >>>>> "**Rowland Croucher**"
>> >> >>>>> <rccroucher@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> >>>>> wrote in message
>> >> >>>>> news:474ca967$0$23258$afc38c87@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> >>>>>> A friend wrote:
>> >> >>>> <>
>> >> >>>>> I'm not sure of your interpretation of universalsim,
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> 'All humans will be saved; there is no eternal torture for
God's
>> >> >>>> precious creatures in a cosmic rubbish dump called hell'.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> but I tend to agree with you on this point.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Many would argue that universal atonement violates a person
who
>> >> >>>>> chooses not to believe in God's will, but in reality it does
>> >> >>>>> not.
>> >> >>>>> Just because you don't believe is an invalid argument as
>> >> >>>>> believing
>> >> >>>>> is
>> >> >>>>> not part of the essential formula for a universal system. And
>> >> >>>>> perhaps
>> >> >>>>> only those that willfully and wantonly refuse God and shake
>> >> >>>>> their
>> >> >>>>> fist
>> >> >>>>> in his face defiantly and intentionally will be denied
atonement
>> >> >>>>> for
>> >> >>>>> their sins.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> My God is big and gracious enough to cope with this sort of
>> >> >>>> senseless,
>> >> >>>> stupid and ignorant defiance...
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Actually you and I agree, although I do believe it is possible
to
>> >> >>> willfully reject God. However, I, like yourself, do not believe
>> >> >>> in
>> >> >>> Hell. Or rather I should say, Hell is simply seperation from
God.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >> Actually it is not possible. For the god that is "willfully
>> >> >> rejectable" is not God. Our Christian "God is love" (1 John
4:8,16)
>> >> >> become fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His life for us
>> >> >> sinners
>> >> >> on
>> >> >> the cross of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen
Him.
>> >> >> (Jesus
>> >> >> in John 14:6-10)
>> >> >> Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him,
(Jesus
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> John 3:3)
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > pastor Frank:
>> >> >
>> >> > I make those comments about it being "possible" to reject God
based
>> >> > solely
>> >> > on the scriptural suggestion that the ONLY sin that cannot be
>> >> > forgiven
>> >> > is
>> >> > blasphemy, and to me, blasphemy would be the act of willfully and
>> >> > intentionally rejecting God and spitting in His face.
>> >> >
>> >> > However, I do make those comments with a tremendous degree of
>> >> > reservation,
>> >> > for I, like yourself, tend to believe that all will be saved.
>> >> >
>> >> > Willy
>> >>
>> >> I agree with your interpretation, Willy. Question: with free will
>> >> being
>> >> part of humanity's design,
>> >
>> > Humanity WAS NOT designed it developed over time, from early humans
>> > without
>> > spoken or written language to modern humans today
>> >
>> >> if a human chose to actively not wor****p God and
>> >> Jesus even after believing that they do exist, how would taking them
>> >> with
>> >> the believers be in alignment with the purposeful design of God for
>> >> humanity
>> >> (i.e. giving us free will)? This is not meant to necessarily be a
>> >> leading
>> >> question.
>> >
>> > I gave up wor****pping because as i gained in intelligence and by
using
>> > logic I
>> > saw throght the whole scam.
>> >
>> > Traveling to Africa and Asia only confirmed things.
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> steveo
>> >
>>
>> I'm very much on the same journey that I think you've already traveled.
>> So
>> my question to you is simple. Do you still have a core belief in a
>> "God",
>> and if you do, do you still wor****p that being, and if so, how?
>
> I gave up my god belief at around age 24 in Africa. Are you there now
> Willy?
>
> It has changed a lot since my days there.
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>
>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Willy
>
No, no. I mislead you. I'm on the same "enlightened journey" that you
once
traveled, not the actual "trip". LOL
Willy
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