"bob young" <alaspectrum@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Pastor Frank wrote:
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>> "Willy" <willyk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> > "bob young" <alaspectrum@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> steveo wrote:
>> >>> "Willy" <willyk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >>> > "Pastor Frank" <PF@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >>> >> "Willy" <willyk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >>> >>> "**Rowland Croucher**"
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>> >>> >>>> Willy wrote:
>> >>> >>>>> "**Rowland Croucher**"
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>> >>> >>>>>> A friend wrote:
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>> >>> >>>>> I'm not sure of your interpretation of universalsim,
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> 'All humans will be saved; there is no eternal torture for
God's
>> >>> >>>> precious creatures in a cosmic rubbish dump called hell'.
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>>> but I tend to agree with you on this point.
>> >>> >>>>>
>> >>> >>>>> Many would argue that universal atonement violates a person
who
>> >>> >>>>> chooses not to believe in God's will, but in reality it does
>> >>> >>>>> not.
>> >>> >>>>> Just because you don't believe is an invalid argument as
>> >>> >>>>> believing
>> >>> >>>>> is
>> >>> >>>>> not part of the essential formula for a universal system.
And
>> >>> >>>>> perhaps
>> >>> >>>>> only those that willfully and wantonly refuse God and shake
>> >>> >>>>> their
>> >>> >>>>> fist
>> >>> >>>>> in his face defiantly and intentionally will be denied
>> >>> >>>>> atonement
>> >>> >>>>> for their sins.
>> >>> >>>>
>> >>> >>>> My God is big and gracious enough to cope with this sort of
>> >>> >>>> senseless, stupid and ignorant defiance...
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >>> Actually you and I agree, although I do believe it is possible
to
>> >>> >>> willfully reject God. However, I, like yourself, do not
believe
>> >>> >>> in
>> >>> >>> Hell. Or rather I should say, Hell is simply seperation from
God.
>> >>> >>>
>> >>> >> Actually it is not possible. For the god that is "willfully
>> >>> >> rejectable" is not God. Our Christian "God is love" (1 John
>> >>> >> 4:8,16)
>> >>> >> become fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His life for us
>> >>> >> sinners on
>> >>> >> the cross of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen
Him.
>> >>> >> (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
>> >>> >> Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him,
>> >>> >> (Jesus
>> >>> >> in
>> >>> >> John 3:3)
>> >>> >
>> >>> > pastor Frank:
>> >>> > I make those comments about it being "possible" to reject God
based
>> >>> > solely
>> >>> > on the scriptural suggestion that the ONLY sin that cannot be
>> >>> > forgiven
>> >>> > is blasphemy, and to me, blasphemy would be the act of willfully
>> >>> > and
>> >>> > intentionally rejecting God and spitting in His face.
>> >>> > However, I do make those comments with a tremendous degree of
>> >>> > reservation,
>> >>> > for I, like yourself, tend to believe that all will be saved.
>> >>>
>> >>> I agree with your interpretation, Willy. Question: with free will
>> >>> being
>> >>> part of humanity's design,
>> >>
>> >> Humanity WAS NOT designed it developed over time, from early humans
>> >> without spoken or written language to modern humans today
>> >>
>> Any evidence for your assertions?
>
> Plenty and even more logical conclusions.
>
> what do you have? Oh i know, ancient superstition.
>
> I'll keep with my logic thanks
>
>>
>>
>> >>> if a human chose to actively not wor****p God and
>> >>> Jesus even after believing that they do exist, how would taking
them
>> >>> with
>> >>> the believers be in alignment with the purposeful design of God for
>> >>> humanity (i.e. giving us free will)? This is not meant to
>> >>> necessarily
>> >>> be a leading question.
>> >>
>> >> I gave up wor****pping because as i gained in intelligence and by
using
>> >> logic I saw throght the whole scam.
>> >> Traveling to Africa and Asia only confirmed things.
>> >
>> > I'm very much on the same journey that I think you've already
traveled.
>> > So my question to you is simple. Do you still have a core belief in
a
>> > "God", and if you do, do you still wor****p that being, and if so,
how?
>> > Thanks,
>> > Willy
>> >
>> Where does is say "God is a being"?
>
> Plenty of places, god is referred to as 'He' by just about every theist
> apart
> from you
>
>> Jesus said "God is a Spirit" (John
>> 4:24) meaning something akin to an attitude, a holy / wholesome one.
>> When it comes to God as a being other than Jesus Christ, our God
>> incarnate, you should be an atheist.
>>
>> --
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Bob:
God isi referred to as "he" because the scripture was written exclusively
by
MEN who considered women second class citizens, so in their society, there
was no possible way they could even consider that God was anything other
than male.
Willy
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