Willy wrote:
> "steveo" <gnsemail@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >
> > "Willy" <willyk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> >>
> >> "Pastor Frank" <PF@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>> "Willy" <willyk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>> news:85F5j.3007$Vq.2099@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>>> "**Rowland Croucher**" <rccroucher@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> >>>> wrote in message
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> >>>>> Willy wrote:
> >>>>>> "**Rowland Croucher**"
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>
> >>>>>> wrote in message
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> >>>>>>> A friend wrote:
> >>>>> <>
> >>>>>> I'm not sure of your interpretation of universalsim,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 'All humans will be saved; there is no eternal torture for God's
> >>>>> precious creatures in a cosmic rubbish dump called hell'.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> but I tend to agree with you on this point.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Many would argue that universal atonement violates a person who
> >>>>>> chooses not to believe in God's will, but in reality it does not.
> >>>>>> Just because you don't believe is an invalid argument as
believing is
> >>>>>> not part of the essential formula for a universal system. And
> >>>>>> perhaps only those that willfully and wantonly refuse God and
shake
> >>>>>> their fist in his face defiantly and intentionally will be denied
> >>>>>> atonement for their sins.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> My God is big and gracious enough to cope with this sort of
senseless,
> >>>>> stupid and ignorant defiance...
> >>>>
> >>>> Actually you and I agree, although I do believe it is possible to
> >>>> willfully reject God. However, I, like yourself, do not believe in
> >>>> Hell. Or rather I should say, Hell is simply seperation from God.
> >>>>
> >>> Actually it is not possible. For the god that is "willfully
> >>> rejectable" is not God. Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16)
> >>> become fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His life for us
sinners
> >>> on the cross of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen
Him.
> >>> (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
> >>> Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus
in
> >>> John 3:3)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
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> >>>
> >>
> >> pastor Frank:
> >>
> >> I make those comments about it being "possible" to reject God based
> >> solely on the scriptural suggestion that the ONLY sin that cannot be
> >> forgiven is blasphemy, and to me, blasphemy would be the act of
willfully
> >> and intentionally rejecting God and spitting in His face.
> >>
> >> However, I do make those comments with a tremendous degree of
> >> reservation, for I, like yourself, tend to believe that all will be
> >> saved.
> >>
> >> Willy
> >
> > I agree with your interpretation, Willy. Question: with free will
being
> > part of humanity's design, if a human chose to actively not wor****p
God
> > and Jesus even after believing that they do exist, how would taking
them
> > with the believers be in alignment with the purposeful design of God
for
> > humanity (i.e. giving us free will)? This is not meant to necessarily
be
> > a leading question.
> >
> > steveo
>
> That's a tough question, but if we are to believe the Biblical writer's
> interpretaiton of the afterlife, particularly in regard to the condition
> known as "heaven"... then we are also told there will be "rewards" in
> Heaven, and / or our "position" will somehow be determined by our good
works
> while on this Earth.
>
> It would make sense (based on the scripture) that those who did little
or
> nothing will perhaps have a lesser position than those who worked
> diligently, such as the apostles.
>
> This whole heaven concept is a bit far fetched, and I'm sure it's WAY
beyond
> what anyone could have imagined at the time scripture was rendered, so
we
> can only imagine......
.....or maybe even 'question' !
>
>
> Willy
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