Pastor Frank wrote:
> "Willy" <willyk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > "bob young" <alaspectrum@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >> steveo wrote:
> >>> "Willy" <willyk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>> news:3s%5j.76055$YL5.48574@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>> > "Pastor Frank" <PF@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>> >> "Willy" <willyk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>> >>> "**Rowland Croucher**"
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>
> >>> >>> wrote in message
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> >>> >>>> Willy wrote:
> >>> >>>>> "**Rowland Croucher**"
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> >>> >>>>> wrote in message
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> >>> >>>>>> A friend wrote:
> >>> >>>> <>
> >>> >>>>> I'm not sure of your interpretation of universalsim,
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> 'All humans will be saved; there is no eternal torture for
God's
> >>> >>>> precious creatures in a cosmic rubbish dump called hell'.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>>> but I tend to agree with you on this point.
> >>> >>>>>
> >>> >>>>> Many would argue that universal atonement violates a person
who
> >>> >>>>> chooses not to believe in God's will, but in reality it does
not.
> >>> >>>>> Just because you don't believe is an invalid argument as
believing
> >>> >>>>> is
> >>> >>>>> not part of the essential formula for a universal system. And
> >>> >>>>> perhaps
> >>> >>>>> only those that willfully and wantonly refuse God and shake
their
> >>> >>>>> fist
> >>> >>>>> in his face defiantly and intentionally will be denied
atonement
> >>> >>>>> for their sins.
> >>> >>>>
> >>> >>>> My God is big and gracious enough to cope with this sort of
> >>> >>>> senseless, stupid and ignorant defiance...
> >>> >>>
> >>> >>> Actually you and I agree, although I do believe it is possible
to
> >>> >>> willfully reject God. However, I, like yourself, do not believe
in
> >>> >>> Hell. Or rather I should say, Hell is simply seperation from
God.
> >>> >>>
> >>> >> Actually it is not possible. For the god that is "willfully
> >>> >> rejectable" is not God. Our Christian "God is love" (1 John
4:8,16)
> >>> >> become fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His life for us
> >>> >> sinners on
> >>> >> the cross of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen
Him.
> >>> >> (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
> >>> >> Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him,
(Jesus
> >>> >> in
> >>> >> John 3:3)
> >>> >
> >>> > pastor Frank:
> >>> > I make those comments about it being "possible" to reject God
based
> >>> > solely
> >>> > on the scriptural suggestion that the ONLY sin that cannot be
forgiven
> >>> > is blasphemy, and to me, blasphemy would be the act of willfully
and
> >>> > intentionally rejecting God and spitting in His face.
> >>> > However, I do make those comments with a tremendous degree of
> >>> > reservation,
> >>> > for I, like yourself, tend to believe that all will be saved.
> >>>
> >>> I agree with your interpretation, Willy. Question: with free will
being
> >>> part of humanity's design,
> >>
> >> Humanity WAS NOT designed it developed over time, from early humans
> >> without spoken or written language to modern humans today
> >>
> Any evidence for your assertions?
Plenty and even more logical conclusions.
what do you have? Oh i know, ancient superstition.
I'll keep with my logic thanks
>
>
> >>> if a human chose to actively not wor****p God and
> >>> Jesus even after believing that they do exist, how would taking them
> >>> with
> >>> the believers be in alignment with the purposeful design of God for
> >>> humanity (i.e. giving us free will)? This is not meant to
necessarily
> >>> be a leading question.
> >>
> >> I gave up wor****pping because as i gained in intelligence and by
using
> >> logic I saw throght the whole scam.
> >> Traveling to Africa and Asia only confirmed things.
> >
> > I'm very much on the same journey that I think you've already
traveled.
> > So my question to you is simple. Do you still have a core belief in a
> > "God", and if you do, do you still wor****p that being, and if so, how?
> > Thanks,
> > Willy
> >
> Where does is say "God is a being"?
Plenty of places, god is referred to as 'He' by just about every theist
apart
from you
> Jesus said "God is a Spirit" (John
> 4:24) meaning something akin to an attitude, a holy / wholesome one.
> When it comes to God as a being other than Jesus Christ, our God
> incarnate, you should be an atheist.
>
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