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> "bob young" <alaspectrum@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> steveo wrote:
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>>> >>> "**Rowland Croucher**"
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>>> >>>> Willy wrote:
>>> >>>>> "**Rowland Croucher**"
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>>> >>>>>> A friend wrote:
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>>> >>>>> I'm not sure of your interpretation of universalsim,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> 'All humans will be saved; there is no eternal torture for God's
>>> >>>> precious creatures in a cosmic rubbish dump called hell'.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> but I tend to agree with you on this point.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Many would argue that universal atonement violates a person who
>>> >>>>> chooses not to believe in God's will, but in reality it does
not.
>>> >>>>> Just because you don't believe is an invalid argument as
believing
>>> >>>>> is
>>> >>>>> not part of the essential formula for a universal system. And
>>> >>>>> perhaps
>>> >>>>> only those that willfully and wantonly refuse God and shake
their
>>> >>>>> fist
>>> >>>>> in his face defiantly and intentionally will be denied atonement
>>> >>>>> for their sins.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> My God is big and gracious enough to cope with this sort of
>>> >>>> senseless, stupid and ignorant defiance...
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Actually you and I agree, although I do believe it is possible to
>>> >>> willfully reject God. However, I, like yourself, do not believe
in
>>> >>> Hell. Or rather I should say, Hell is simply seperation from God.
>>> >>>
>>> >> Actually it is not possible. For the god that is "willfully
>>> >> rejectable" is not God. Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16)
>>> >> become fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His life for us
>>> >> sinners on
>>> >> the cross of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen Him.
>>> >> (Jesus in John 14:6-10)
>>> >> Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus
>>> >> in
>>> >> John 3:3)
>>> >
>>> > pastor Frank:
>>> > I make those comments about it being "possible" to reject God based
>>> > solely
>>> > on the scriptural suggestion that the ONLY sin that cannot be
forgiven
>>> > is blasphemy, and to me, blasphemy would be the act of willfully and
>>> > intentionally rejecting God and spitting in His face.
>>> > However, I do make those comments with a tremendous degree of
>>> > reservation,
>>> > for I, like yourself, tend to believe that all will be saved.
>>>
>>> I agree with your interpretation, Willy. Question: with free will
being
>>> part of humanity's design,
>>
>> Humanity WAS NOT designed it developed over time, from early humans
>> without spoken or written language to modern humans today
>>
Any evidence for your assertions?
>>> if a human chose to actively not wor****p God and
>>> Jesus even after believing that they do exist, how would taking them
>>> with
>>> the believers be in alignment with the purposeful design of God for
>>> humanity (i.e. giving us free will)? This is not meant to necessarily
>>> be a leading question.
>>
>> I gave up wor****pping because as i gained in intelligence and by using
>> logic I saw throght the whole scam.
>> Traveling to Africa and Asia only confirmed things.
>
> I'm very much on the same journey that I think you've already traveled.
> So my question to you is simple. Do you still have a core belief in a
> "God", and if you do, do you still wor****p that being, and if so, how?
> Thanks,
> Willy
>
Where does is say "God is a being"? Jesus said "God is a Spirit"
(John
4:24) meaning something akin to an attitude, a holy / wholesome one.
When it comes to God as a being other than Jesus Christ, our God
incarnate, you should be an atheist.
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