"bob young" <alaspectrum@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> steveo wrote:
>> "Willy" <willyk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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>> > "Pastor Frank" <PF@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
>> > news:475752eb$0$26041$88260bb3@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >> "Willy" <willyk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> news:85F5j.3007$Vq.2099@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >>> "**Rowland Croucher**" <rccroucher@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> >>> wrote in message
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>> >>>> Willy wrote:
>> >>>>> "**Rowland Croucher**"
<rccroucher@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> >>>>> wrote in message
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>> >>>>>> A friend wrote:
>> >>>> <>
>> >>>>> I'm not sure of your interpretation of universalsim,
>> >>>>
>> >>>> 'All humans will be saved; there is no eternal torture for God's
>> >>>> precious creatures in a cosmic rubbish dump called hell'.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> but I tend to agree with you on this point.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Many would argue that universal atonement violates a person who
>> >>>>> chooses not to believe in God's will, but in reality it does not.
>> >>>>> Just because you don't believe is an invalid argument as
believing
>> >>>>> is
>> >>>>> not part of the essential formula for a universal system. And
>> >>>>> perhaps
>> >>>>> only those that willfully and wantonly refuse God and shake their
>> >>>>> fist
>> >>>>> in his face defiantly and intentionally will be denied atonement
>> >>>>> for
>> >>>>> their sins.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> My God is big and gracious enough to cope with this sort of
>> >>>> senseless,
>> >>>> stupid and ignorant defiance...
>> >>>
>> >>> Actually you and I agree, although I do believe it is possible to
>> >>> willfully reject God. However, I, like yourself, do not believe in
>> >>> Hell. Or rather I should say, Hell is simply seperation from God.
>> >>>
>> >> Actually it is not possible. For the god that is "willfully
>> >> rejectable" is not God. Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16)
>> >> become fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His life for us
sinners
>> >> on
>> >> the cross of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen Him.
>> >> (Jesus
>> >> in John 14:6-10)
>> >> Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus
in
>> >> John 3:3)
>> >
>> > pastor Frank:
>> > I make those comments about it being "possible" to reject God based
>> > solely
>> > on the scriptural suggestion that the ONLY sin that cannot be
forgiven
>> > is
>> > blasphemy, and to me, blasphemy would be the act of willfully and
>> > intentionally rejecting God and spitting in His face.
>> >
>> > However, I do make those comments with a tremendous degree of
>> > reservation,
>> > for I, like yourself, tend to believe that all will be saved.
>> > Willy
>>
>> I agree with your interpretation, Willy. Question: with free will
being
>> part of humanity's design,
>
> Humanity WAS NOT designed it developed over time, from early humans
> without
> spoken or written language to modern humans today
>
>> if a human chose to actively not wor****p God and
>> Jesus even after believing that they do exist, how would taking them
with
>> the believers be in alignment with the purposeful design of God for
>> humanity
>> (i.e. giving us free will)? This is not meant to necessarily be a
>> leading
>> question.
>
> I gave up wor****pping because as i gained in intelligence and by using
> logic I
> saw throght the whole scam.
> Traveling to Africa and Asia only confirmed things.
>
All you are saying is that instead of wor****pping the creator, you now
wor****p the created, i.e. you own "intelligence and logic".
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