"Willy" <willyk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> "Pastor Frank" <PF@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> "Willy" <willyk@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>> "**Rowland Croucher**" <rccroucher@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>> wrote in message news:474f97d2$0$3101$afc38c87@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>> Willy wrote:
>>>>> "**Rowland Croucher**" <rccroucher@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>>>>> wrote in message
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>>>>>> A friend wrote:
>>>> <>
>>>>> I'm not sure of your interpretation of universalsim,
>>>>
>>>> 'All humans will be saved; there is no eternal torture for God's
>>>> precious creatures in a cosmic rubbish dump called hell'.
>>>>
>>>>> but I tend to agree with you on this point.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many would argue that universal atonement violates a person who
>>>>> chooses not to believe in God's will, but in reality it does not.
>>>>> Just because you don't believe is an invalid argument as believing
is
>>>>> not part of the essential formula for a universal system. And
perhaps
>>>>> only those that willfully and wantonly refuse God and shake their
fist
>>>>> in his face defiantly and intentionally will be denied atonement for
>>>>> their sins.
>>>>
>>>> My God is big and gracious enough to cope with this sort of
senseless,
>>>> stupid and ignorant defiance...
>>>
>>> Actually you and I agree, although I do believe it is possible to
>>> willfully reject God. However, I, like yourself, do not believe in
>>> Hell. Or rather I should say, Hell is simply seperation from God.
>>>
>> Actually it is not possible. For the god that is "willfully
>> rejectable" is not God. Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16)
>> become fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners
on
>> the cross of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen Him.
(Jesus
>> in John 14:6-10)
>> Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in
>> John 3:3)
>>
>>
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>>
>
> pastor Frank:
>
> I make those comments about it being "possible" to reject God based
solely
> on the scriptural suggestion that the ONLY sin that cannot be forgiven
is
> blasphemy, and to me, blasphemy would be the act of willfully and
> intentionally rejecting God and spitting in His face.
>
> However, I do make those comments with a tremendous degree of
reservation,
> for I, like yourself, tend to believe that all will be saved.
>
> Willy
I agree with your interpretation, Willy. Question: with free will being
part of humanity's design, if a human chose to actively not wor****p God
and
Jesus even after believing that they do exist, how would taking them with
the believers be in alignment with the purposeful design of God for
humanity
(i.e. giving us free will)? This is not meant to necessarily be a leading
question.
steveo
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