Gay/Bi/Les & MPD
Any Transgendered alter-ego, alter-personalities (selves)?
Re: ***ual Deviation from the reproductive norm:
Gay/Bi/Les/TransSRS/fetishes/obsessions/etc...
Multiple Personality Disorders Responsible?
3-***ualdeviation.htm
CAUTION: The first 4 paragraphs of this article have been floating around
on
the web, but be sure to read the followups below it, and especially the
one
titled "Dangerous Ideas", through ***ual reassignment surgery (SRS). I am
not the author of this article. Keep in mind that this article was posted
simply to show that traumatically induced split-personality disorders
(shattered selves) have brought this into a totally different light, for
some. This article is long, with many followups attached. We've also added
a
few related links, at the bottom of this article. Paste Follows:
> >> Do you have any transgendered (opposite gender) alter-personalities
(mpd)? And
> >> how do you deal with your situation based on your beliefs- through
> >> meditation and prayer? Does this work for you?
>
In Frank Putnam's "Diagnosis and Treatment of MPD," a small section is
devoted to cautioning that "many gay/bi/lez/trans" may have MPD.Some may
actually have alter-personalities of the opposite gender. With
gay/bi/lez/ts, the therapist must not assume that a patient is merely
under
the influence of an transgendered alter-ego or personality state. With
trans***uals, the therapist must not assume that a patient requesting
***ual
reassignment is merely altering a transgendered personality state, which
is
also commom in DDNOS/DID (MPD-therapy).
DID stands for dissociative identity disorder (MPD). The main internet
sup****t group for mpd, "usenet" group, called alt.sup****t.dissociation.
Usually, one can just enter news:alt.sup****t.dissociation into his browser
address window, and hit enter. Otherwise use google "groups" button, or
AOL
usenet groups.
The last time such was posted, a few here found this interesting, that
some
gays, tvs, srs, etc... might actually be unknowingly multiple personality.
MPD (split personality) is supposedly caused from ***ual abuse and/or some
trauma event (shattered selves). The trauma so unbearable, that the victim
personality suddenly "splits", "shattered selves", so that the child is
able
survive it, to bear it. Yes, the split-offs bore/bear the blunt of it.
Those
aware of their MPD shattered personality ego-states are then left to try
and
re-integrate. Many MPD split-p victims have no memory of said
abuse/trauma,
cause the split-p alter-personality states actually bore the blunt, while
the original host blacked out, and didn't see a thing.
During therapy, it is very common to find alter-egos of opposite ***, of
different ages, of different voice, handwriting, allergies, appetites,
***ual preference, etc...., well, read the mpd newsgroup faq. The
newsgroup
is alt.sup****t.dissociation, and their faq (newsgroup charter) is thorough
and extremely helpful/interesting. Their faq is posted bi-monthly, and it
can be found at google.com,
archive.org, or altavista.com, for sure.
If you found this interesting or explosive, please pass this along to as
many as you can. Could you just imagine ***ual reassignment, sodomy, lez,
or
bi, and then the discovery of MPD? That would
be traumatic, lack of knowledge leading one to jump pre-maturely.
It's just that I feel that "shattered selves" is one theory, while
spiritual
might be another possibility, but I am not going there.
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Paste from earlier 1997 reply to this original below:
Quote follows:
From: KH
Subject: Re: Dangerous ideas
Newsgroups: soc.sup****t.transgendered, alt.transgendered, alt.sup****t.srs,
alt.sup****t.***reassign
Date: 12/06/1997
Added Paste: Well, my experience from the other end - having been given
high
doses of oestrogen at the age of 10, plus having been on the pill for
about
7 or 8 years, proved to me what medical science already knows: hormones do
NOT "cure" gender identity or ***ual preference.(Posted and Emailed)
***
On 6.11, I posted a long-overdue response to a post by Katy. As a
preamble,
I explained that I have learned to "manage" my illness on the net by
storing
for future reply those posts which cut rather close to the core or which
need to be responded to from a "safe" mental place.
Right now, I am in such a safe space, both mentally and physically.
In regard to the latter, I am at the lake on a peaceful Thrsday morning, I
have had a visit from the pair of loons and the female duck which are
raising separate families in the sheltered and inaccessible (to humans)
wooded cove on the backside of my property.
In regard to to former, I have survived, but more im****tantly, I
have"processed," (to use psychological babble-speak), a highly unpleasant
visit on Tuesday from two "experts" from the company evaluating me for
Long
Term Disability. They drove all the way up from Boston to interview me for
a
"one hour" talk that lasted two and one/half tense hours. Suffice it to
say,
the little "talk" was unpleasant, deeply disturbing and humiliating.
However, that is behind me, and, as I noted, duly "processed."
Cindy Grrlpetal posted perhaps two weeks ago a public piece to which I
have
had to delay my response because of this and other matters.
Now, in a "safe" place emotionally and physically, I am ready.
Finally, to end this long preamble, I note that I am violating, in a minor
sense, proper nettiquette, by quoting Cindy's post in full as to excerpt
it
would be to do an injustice to its many points.
[I also wish to note, up front, the debt I can never fulfill to Celeste
for
saving my life by her transcontinental actions on 9.20.96, my undying
appreciation of the loving care by net-angel Aunty Jen while I was in the
hospital, my deep indebtedness to Julie Haugh for her material and
emotional
sup****t, to Theoni for understanding above and beyond any call of
friend****p, and to Michelle, Colleen, Ros, Bob, T., Sally and to many
others
who have stood by and helped me with my"white-knuckle" horrors since
September. There *is* sup****t in these groups, contrary to what one might
think when simply sampling a week's worth of postings.]
***
Cindy's reference to my web page is to:
http://www.khayward.com/mnl.html
(this url above is also duplicated at the base of this page, that you can
read it later)
:Dearest K
:
:And here, through your web page and in your reference to "mental
:illness,"
you have gotten to the crux of the matter for a few of us who :lurk
through
these ng's and wonder where people obtain their :perspectives, and then
the
conceit to perscribe and proscribe.
:
:I only became aware that I am "we" after doing RLT for eight months or
:so,(only three of those months doing 'mones). And that the reason why it
:took no time at all to cast off our male persona, both physically and
:mentally was because the "persona" was a male alter meant to protect the
:core, which is solidly female. This transition took about ninety minutes
:and a quart of Vodka. The male host's alcoholism went with him when he
:was
internalized (a common occurence in DID)
:
:In Frank Putnam's "Diagnosis and Treatment of MPD," a small section is
:devoted to cautioning that "many trans***uals" may have MPD, and that
:the
therapist not assume that :a patient requesting ***ual reassignment is
merely altering a :transgendered personality state, which is also commom
in
DDNOS/DID.
:
:More to the point: TSs/TGs come from many different perspectives of
:consciousness. I don't know about the context of the intramural
:rivalries
that you mention, but the denial of pain that you allude to is :a very
unhealthy attitude, if nothing more than these games of denial :are
ultimately dehumanizing and that they enable abuse to continue.
:
:TS/DIDs have survived incredible trauma and abuse, including severe
:gender
abuse at home, and the world at large (hence the generation of :male hosts
to stop the abuse from continuing). Very often, GenderQueer :children are
scapegoated as a warning to the rest of the world of :children not to step
out of line. It should come as no surprise that :suicide is rapant among
"high intensity trans***uals." (not a PC :description, but accurate
none-the-less. H.I.T.s are fertile ground for :the development of
Dissociative Disorders). For some, enough becomes :enough when abuse is so
intensly focused on such individuals, almost :from the moment they learn
to
talk 'till the moment they end it all.
:
:Your post has personal meaning for me, a me that is "us." Just as
:non-trans people don't "get" being trans, Singleton trans people will
:never understand TS/DDs/DIDs. Singleton bromides and perscriptions will
:never work for mutiples because consciousness :in the two groups has
followed two distinct evolutionary paths.
:
:On a personal note, there are mental illnesses that can occur co-morbid:
with DD/DID, but it's not fair to yourself that you are ill. DDs/DIDs :can
find success and hapiness in life without being "cured." It's just :that
we
reqire coping strategies that singletons and non DDs are unable :to
provide
unless they understand the nature of our Selves.
:
:Serenity and Light
: :G
Dear G,
As you note, one great problem with being disagnosed as Dissociative
Disorder' Dissociative Identity Disorder (DD/DID -- DMS-IV 300.14), [a
condition which prior to DSM-IV was referred to as Multiple Personality
Disorder], is that the weak and timid "outriders" in the psychological
posses are too quick to focus on the adjective"Multiple" and thus
attribute
our gender journey to delusionary aspects.
The stronger riders of course, understand otherwise, and that is why I
chose
to be hospitalized in Philadelphia, in a wonderful unit run by one of the
world's foremost experts on DD/DID and Posttraumatic Stress Disorder
(DSM-IV
309.81). [Yet even this choice of self-hospitalization was challenged
repeated by the suits on Tuesday.]
Childhood abuse is a terrible thing, whether it be psychological,
physical,
***ual or a combination.
Betwen the ages of 2-8 or so, the child's psyche needs to learn trust, to
learn to identify im****tant sources of psychogical strength and refuge.
When
what *should be safe, secure and nurturing* is
unpredictably and repeatedly unsafe and destructive of the young child's
very identity, the mind, as you are only too aware, kicks into action with
its own protective mechanisms.
Just as biologically-induced morphine-like substances will kick in to
protect an individual in cases of severe biological trauma and extreme
pain,
the consciousness and subconsciousness, in their unfathomable wisdom kicks
into action and isolates the mind from the abusive events.
The first step is dissociation [the first D in DID], literally removing
the
child from the event, at least at the cognitive level.
Unfortunatly, the events continue to be recorded, but in the subconscious
or
affective part of the psyche. For those to whom all of this is yet more
babble-speak, simply imagine rounding a curve in the roadway and coming
upon
a horrendous car crash. Those who have experienced such, especially if
they
have offered assistance to the mutilated and dying, will often remember
little or none of what they *did* during those horrendous, heroic moments
.... the conscious mind has shut down, the gore is not recorded; the
subsconious mind has taken over, moving the motorist from victim to
victim,
"processing" the action, but ****elding the conscious mind.
As reference on my web page indicates, the current theory is that the gap
in
the normal parallel synchronization betwen the cognitive (conscious) and
affective (subconscious) recording/processing tracks leads to serious
fragmentation, and often to Posttraumatic Stress Disorder.
A single event such as this can be apparently be handled by the
brain;extensive or repeated similiar or idential events lead to serious
personality disorder [the second D in DID].
While I was in Philadelphia I had the honor of being befriended by two
very
different individuals suffering deeply from such repeated horrors.
One was a survivor of the Oklahoma City bombing who, while physically
injured by the blast, spent 18 hours without medical attention as he
worked
side-by-side with the rescuers, attending to the dying and dead. The
repeated and escalating horror he experienced caused a shotdown of his
cognitive mind (he can only remember being passed at a red-light by a
Ryder
truck); his affective mind, of necessity, recorded each and every gory
detail; the result was the subsequent development of PSD and multiples
months after the event.
The other person was a woman my age who had been an actual "slave" to a
satanic cult run by her own mother and uncle. From the age of 3-18, the
horrors she underwent caused the development of sixteen different
personalities, two of which I had the honor to meet -- and it is an honor,
because the mind in its own wisdom, in segregating various aspects of the
normal psychological development that *should* have taken place in a
*unified* manner during this fifteen-year period, created a number of
wonderful personalities [in psycho-babble: alters] to house the healthy
emotions and instincts and to keep them separate from the unhealthy
aspects.
Yet, Cindy, as you correctly note, to term this development as an illness
is
problematic. We are I; I am we -- I am just configured differently than
the
norm.
In the geek-speak sometimes spoken here, and of which I am quite
knowledgeable (not surprising, if you think about it), I/we have complete
parallel processing engines, some with their own operating systems; the
problem arises when the outcome of the parallel processsing results in
*very* divergent results [modes of behavior].
As you note, Cindy, the key is to allow the cognitive mind to understand
and
*meet* these alters, and to learn to trust the value and validity of the
multiplicity.
Yet therein lies the greatest problem, and the one my medical team is
struggling with right now, because the alters are based on trauma, and by
the very nature of their "creation" are isolated from each other. In
becoming cognitively aware of the alters, and in attempting to mediate the
necessarily contradictory demands and impulses, the cognitive mind can
easily become overloaded. [In geek speak: 2+2 equals 4; but place a minus
sign before one or both 2, and the results are different but valid -- the
question becomes whether the existence of the signs are appropriate.
Ironically yet necessarily, all signs are appropriate, given the creation
and existence of the alters].
The cure is not to deny the alters, but to embrace them, to mediate, and,
more often than not, to discover the single primary [os engine] that has
cognitive and affective knowledge (usually deeply submerged and protected)
of the entire being [the true and abolute kernel].
And all this must be done while allowing the alter which *appears* primary
to those with whom we deal every day to continue to function in society --
no mean trick. [In this instance, the "Kristin" alter.]
By All,
KH
ericfisher2@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Eric Fisher) wrote in message
news:<26444-4196C51C-706@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>...
>> found on a newsboard:
>>
>> I was a practising bi***ual while backslidden - when I came back to the
>> Lord He healed me of my lesbian feelings (which I had had from a young
>> age but didn't act on until my late twenties) and forgave me for the
>> activities I'd been involved with. His words to me were 'Holiness is
not
>> an optional extra but you are not alone in this; lean on Me and I will
>> heal you.'
>> I know homo***uals face very tough struggles and I salute those who are
>> determined to do things God's way. I have compassion on those who fight
>> daily against their orientation, but I consider it a Satanic lie from
>> the pit of Hell to say that God says homo***ual acivity is okay. I am
>> not blaming people who believe this - they have been deceived - but I
>> flat-out do not accept it as God's truth.
>> Jules
>> _________________
>> Born-again Christian (evangelical, charismatic). Came out of witchcraft
>> and was healed by God of bi***uality. Still married to a Pagan. >
Spirits
are masters of creating illusions, It's all a s****t to them,
> just for a laugh, they have nothing better to do. Illusion, delusion,
> snares, traps, acting in haste, assuming disguises, dimming awareness,>
heightening anxiety, impatience, promote mental sluggishness,
> promiscuity, violent and sociopathic behaviors, altering the ***ual
> orientation of individuals, violence as a conditioned response, deviant
> *****c mental imagery, vulgarity, ***ual perversion, alien love bite
(possession),
> libido and pheromone manipulation, altered in order to cause you
> to attract or even to literally repel the opposite ***, adoption of
> alternative lifestyles. During dreamscape ***, the partners sometimes
> shape****ft into the opposite ***, or a demon, an animal, a
hermaphrodite,
> a family member, an elder, a...., a...., or even a .....
>
> Taken From: Astral Manipulation of ***ual Orientation
> http://reptilianagenda.com/exp/e090800a.html
>
> me
This woman, whoever she is, is in for a huge emotional and spiritual
crisis when the thrill of religious experience wears off and she
realizes she will always love women.
Dot
I was reading in some pagan thread that spirit guides inside of
pagans (indulging spirits) and the like may prefer gay or anal, as
not to co-create. Within the MPD, multiple-personality groups, the
gay/bi/lez/trans is sometimes revealed as alter-personalities or
shattered selves, alter-egos, patients now dealing with that
scenerio, which very similar. What this tends to say is that ***uality
is often under subconscious or the subconscience, spiritual influence;
Not me, but me. No, me. Oh sht..
jojo
Hi,
That was an amazing bit of reading. .
I have recently uncovered some information that makes
me wonder if I am as IS person and not TS. I am trying
to figure out how all that you've written here might
relate to where I am in my life right now.
Lacy
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Cindy's reference to earlier "Dangerous Ideas" article (medical followup)
:
Hospitalized: http://www.khayward.com/mnl.html
This entire archived discussion:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.sup****t.transgendered/browse_frm/thread/a
2e4d3282655f597
I have put much of this work online, that those who may need it can find
it
by doing a google search for the keyword: djsaintly. You may use any of
this
material to minister to others freely.
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/voice-hearers/
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