On Sat, 17 May 2008 15:19:17 +1000, "Andrew W"
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: "Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Wed, 14 May 2008 19:37:36 +1000, "Andrew W"
: > <removethis_ajwerner@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
: >
: > : "Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> : > On Tue, 13 May 2008 21:47:29 +1000, "Andrew W"
: > : > <removethis_ajwerner@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
: > :
: > : You suggested that God made it so that A&E's genes change in a
flash.
: >
: > I never said their genes change.
:
: Then nothing is passed on to offspring.
:
: > They spiritually died the moment
: > they ate the fruit of that divine tree.
:
: It doesn't say anything about them dying spiritually the scriptures.
: In fact it says that their eyes were opened and they knew they were
****d.
: This means that they gained a great degree of new awareness.
: They went from being like dumb animals to higher beings.
:
: > They now gained a sin
: > nature which is passed on to all their offspring.
:
: Nowhere is it said that they gained a sin nature, however Genesis does
say
: that Eve was beguiled by the serpent, and she even admitted it. Now
since
: there is no law against being deceived, there is no sin technically. In
fact
: God's only comment at the end was that A&E had in fact "become like us",
: just as
: the serpent said they would.
:
: > We have no idea
: > what physically/literally happens. But it doesn't matter what
: > happens, because it's of a divine nature, and hardly anything
: > difficult when you realize God can create the universe.
:
: If we don't know what happened then there is no reason to believe
fervently
: that the Christian version of a jealous and vengeful God is what really
is.
:
: > :
: > : You are still under the strange impression that I only have one
source
: > of
: > : information - "that woman".
: >
: > The fact that you have her as any source at _all_, just because
: > she claims to have spoken directly to Jesus Christ (around 1960),
: > is enough to show how willing you are to listen to anything or
: > anyone as long as they tell you what you want to hear.
:
: That's not why I listened to the material. The reason I listened to it
was
: because of the spiritual content. It was only later that I read about
how
: the material came about.
:
: >
: > Why take the word of a woman who claimed to speak directly to
: > Jesus in the 1960's over a dozen men who *walked with Jesus
: > Christ* when He was alive on this Earth, teaching them for months
: > on end?!
:
: Because that information has been very much distorted, misunderstood and
: edited over time.
: Also it was written for a far more primitive people and in keeping with
: their blood sacrificing and sin substituting cultures/traditions.
:
: >
: > Why believe that God is too impotent to accurately preserve what
: > He told us when He was here, that which was recorded by them, and
: > that men are more powerful than God's ability to preserve it?
:
: 1. Being powerful enough to preserve something doesn't mean it actually
was
: done so.
: 2. God is 'all things' and 'everywhere' and the idea that he was
exclusively
: present in only one part of the world at one time and that the Christian
: Bible is "God's Word" is only the Christian religion's pious opinion.
: The Christ being was an advanced and highly evolved being but he was not
: ~exclusively~ God. God is in everyone to varying degrees.
:
: > :
: > : No. Just the Christian version of God, as should everyone. After the
: > year
: > : 2012 (alignment with galactic centre and lifting of planetary
: > quarantine)
: > : Christianity will go into a much faster decline and by about 2030
there
: > will
: > : only be a few small pockets of Christians in the world.
: >
: > How exactly do you (or anyone) come by this seemingly factual
: > information?
:
: Its available in many places if you look.
: One good source is the Bashar tapes. There are many others. My page has
some
: links.
:
: > :
: > : No one said anything about being wicked and sinning freely.
: > : You are putting words in my mouth.
: >
: > Sure you did - if "your mistakes are not counted against you",
: > that's exactly what you're doing: giving people free reign to
: > sin.
:
: This is a tem****ary realm where we can get it all off our chests safely
: without affecting other life forms in the galaxy.
: You could say that God (if he was a single being) waits patiently till
we
: exhaust our egos and then welcomes us back.
: We are learning from our mistakes so this world is like a school.
:
: >
: > Imagine our world where running a red light didn't count against
: > you, robbing a store didn't count against you, lying on a job
: > application didn't count against you, committing adultery against
: > your spouse with someone else didn't count against you,
: > committing fornication didn't count against you, killing someone
: > because they annoyed you didn't count against you. Would it
: > improve the world (which you imply it would)? Of course not - the
: > world would degenerate into total chaos - a free reign to
: > "experiment", as you put it, with doing whatever you want because
: > it's only an "experimental test ground" where "your 'mistakes'
: > don't count against you".
:
: The universe works by agreements and contracts on the spirit level.
: Every spirit that incarnates into a physical world knows what they are
: getting themselves into and chooses to experience all the highs and lows
: with the other initiates/opponents to gain unique experiences and soul
: evolution and growth.
: Listen to the Bashar tapes and you will understand the higher
perspectives.
: Some other materials reveal that many spirits actually seek out dark
fallen
: worlds like this for an extra challenge to test their ability to turn
dark
: worlds back to the light.
: And it is happening, but we don't see it because our news media only
gives
: us the bad news because that's what gets the ratings, but there are
actually
: more good things happening and good people's humanitarian actions going
on
: in this day and its getting more prevalent.
:
: Regarding laws, the more laws you have in a culture and the more you try
to
: suppress the people the more they end up subconsciously and then
consciously
: rebelling and fighting their way free.
Fighting their way free to do what? Freedom to run red lights,
rob stores, lie on job applications, commit adultery and
fornication, killing someone because they annoyed you?
You can try to rationalize it any way you want, but the fact is
if you were to remove these laws, the world would degenerate into
wicked chaos. These Laws serve a good and critical purpose, as do
God's Laws.
You ought to take a hard look at how you try to act like it'd be
a good thing to remove man's laws and just tell people it's an
"experimental ground so nothing will count against you." If you
can't see that this would quickly turn into chaos where
wickedness would rule, you are either being dishonest or just
flat out blind to the truth. If it wasn't true, we wouldn't need
laws to begin with.
In the end, God will judge you for breaking His Laws, just like
man judges you for breaking theirs. Rationalize it any way you
wish: break man's laws and you will be punished no matter what
you believe about those laws; break God's Laws and refuse to
repent and allow Christ to take your punishment for you, and you
will be punished as well no matter what you believe or try to
rationalize about God's Laws.
: Either that or they just become
: passive sheeple with lost potentials.
: What is better is teaching people to see things from other people's
point of
: view. Empathy and self governance are teachings that unfortunately have
been
: left behind. Your legalistic variety of Christianity seems to be
relatively
: clueless about this too.
:
: >
: > : What has the Christian god done to stop wickedness and sinning?
: >
: > He willingly suffered and died on the cross for us, while we were
: > yet sinners.
:
: How does that cut crime?
:
: >
: > He saves those who repent and trust on what Christ did to save
: > them, using the Holy Spirit to teach others to be Christ-like,
: > avoiding sinning to a huge degree and being an example to others
: > and spreading the word of His Gospel.
: >
: > What have you done by comparison?
:
: I do my small part to help others open their minds and see past the
: superstitious and cultural dogmas of past societies.
:
: > So far you've only shown that
: > you want others to know they can do whatever they wish because
: > it's only an experimental ground and your 'mistakes' are not
: > counted against you so do what you want. To influence those who
: > are more focused on doing their best, with the grace of God, to
: > keep the Ten Commandments. To instead throw them out the window
: > and get with the program of "this is a testing ground - mistakes
: > are not counted against you".
:
: Does a mother count all the little things that her child does and then
make
: a judgement on a certain day and throw her child in a fire if it wasn't
: totally perfect?
: Don't you believe we've been given 'free will' to develop at our own
pace?
: Why do you want to take away what we've been given?
: Where else can we experience all that can be experienced in physical
form?
: You may never get another chance.
: Why do you take life so seriously? Chill out.
:
: >
: > : Nothing, but
: > : make some implausible threats about a hell which only good and
religious
: > : people believe in and take seriously. Completely useless.
: >
: > It's called justice;
:
: Your idea of justice.
:
: > consequences; responsibility for your own
: > actions. Much like what really will happen to you if you cheat on
: > your spouse, lie on a job application, steal from a bank, kill
: > someone because they annoy you: you will face judgment and be
: > punished for your wicked actions. Fear of this is what keeps many
: > more crimes from ever happening. Removal of this punishment would
: > encourage crime rates to skyrocket.
:
: The things you list are the concern of societal laws, not divine laws
for a
: start.
: Proper education on living and social skills is a better way than
forcing
: people to live in fear.
: Fear is what regimes are based on. What you want is a regime. You are
more
: like a Muslim than a westerner.
:
: >
: > When you face God, you will be held accountable for your sins,
: > for breaking His Commandments, and justice must be served.
:
: That will not happen. God is not what you think he/it is.
:
: > You
: > can either choose to repent from your sins, of breaking God's
: > Law, expressing genuine sorrow to God, asking forgiveness, and
: > turning from your sins, and then asking Christ to save you from
: > the punishment you deserve by what He did for us all on the cross
: > (and if you do this, He WILL save you!),
: >
: > or you can continue to act like this is just an experimental
: > ground, where your mistakes don't count against you, thereby
: > encouraging people to do what they want.
: >
: > I hope you make the right decision. :-/
:
: I hope you stop clinging to an old middle eastern jealous and vengeful
: version of God.
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