On Wed, 14 May 2008 19:37:36 +1000, "Andrew W"
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: "Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Tue, 13 May 2008 21:47:29 +1000, "Andrew W"
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: > : "Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> : > On Mon, 12 May 2008 18:10:25 +1000, "Andrew W"
: > : > <removethis_ajwerner@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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: > : > : "Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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: > : > : I'm sure you also plant deadly trees in your backyard and then
let
: > your
: > : > : children play there on their own after giving them only one
terse
: > : > warning.
: > : > :
: > : > : Sin / bad deeds do not modify a person's genetics after only one
: > five
: > : > : minute act. It takes time for a person's nature to change on
that
: > level.
: > : > : The Genesis writings are completely implausible on that point
alone.
: > : >
: > : > How is it you know this (that God is too impotent for such a
: > : > thing to be possible)?
: > :
: > : A Creator does not do unnatural things,
: >
: > Now you're changing your story. First you say such deeds do not
: > modify a person's genetics after only a five minute act. After
: > the obvious flaw of that thinking is pointed out, you instantly
: > change your story to make up something else. Now you change it to
: > "a creator does not do unnatural things".
:
: You suggested that God made it so that A&E's genes change in a flash.
I never said their genes change. They spiritually died the moment
they ate the fruit of that divine tree. They now gained a sin
nature which is passed on to all their offspring. We have no idea
what physically/literally happens. But it doesn't matter what
happens, because it's of a divine nature, and hardly anything
difficult when you realize God can create the universe.
I'm merely pointing out that you changed your story from "that's
impossible" (as if something God told us happened would be
impossible to happen) to "God does not do unnatural things".
: That
: is unnatural.
: Understand now?
:
: > This is all you're
: > about: you'll keep changing your story to act like God's Word,
: > which has survived 3,500+ years is wrong,
:
: It is known to be wrong.
I'm sorry you believe this.
: Do some research.
: And you just had to mention that 3,500+ years claim again. You say it so
: proudly.
: For your info the 'Bible' has only existed since about the 3rd century
and
: is a watered down and edited for the people version of the original
texts.
: And its not 'God's Word'. That's only a belief by an ever shrinking
group of
: Bible thumping zealots.
:
: > and the woman of the
: > 1960's who told you she spoke to Jesus Christ personally is right
: > (and whatever other ideas you've allowed yourself to fall victim
: > to believing).
:
: You are still under the strange impression that I only have one source
of
: information - "that woman".
The fact that you have her as any source at _all_, just because
she claims to have spoken directly to Jesus Christ (around 1960),
is enough to show how willing you are to listen to anything or
anyone as long as they tell you what you want to hear.
Why take the word of a woman who claimed to speak directly to
Jesus in the 1960's over a dozen men who *walked with Jesus
Christ* when He was alive on this Earth, teaching them for months
on end?!
Why believe that God is too impotent to accurately preserve what
He told us when He was here, that which was recorded by them, and
that men are more powerful than God's ability to preserve it?
: You are sad.
Sorry you feel that way.
:
: >
: > The problem is you're just looking for reasons to reject God and
:
: No. Just the Christian version of God, as should everyone. After the
year
: 2012 (alignment with galactic centre and lifting of planetary
quarantine)
: Christianity will go into a much faster decline and by about 2030 there
will
: only be a few small pockets of Christians in the world.
How exactly do you (or anyone) come by this seemingly factual
information?
:
: > make up your own version of a god that you're willing to wor****p,
: > one where you get to be as wicked as you want. I quote:
: >
: > "This is not a model world, its an experimental test ground. One
: > of many. The only time your mistakes are counted against you is
: > once you are living in a model world.."
: >
: > So there you have it. You are just looking for free reign to sin
: > all you want, since nothing is counted against you.
:
: No one said anything about being wicked and sinning freely.
: You are putting words in my mouth.
Sure you did - if "your mistakes are not counted against you",
that's exactly what you're doing: giving people free reign to
sin.
Imagine our world where running a red light didn't count against
you, robbing a store didn't count against you, lying on a job
application didn't count against you, committing adultery against
your spouse with someone else didn't count against you,
committing fornication didn't count against you, killing someone
because they annoyed you didn't count against you. Would it
improve the world (which you imply it would)? Of course not - the
world would degenerate into total chaos - a free reign to
"experiment", as you put it, with doing whatever you want because
it's only an "experimental test ground" where "your 'mistakes'
don't count against you".
: What has the Christian god done to stop wickedness and sinning?
He willingly suffered and died on the cross for us, while we were
yet sinners.
He saves those who repent and trust on what Christ did to save
them, using the Holy Spirit to teach others to be Christ-like,
avoiding sinning to a huge degree and being an example to others
and spreading the word of His Gospel.
What have you done by comparison? So far you've only shown that
you want others to know they can do whatever they wish because
it's only an experimental ground and your 'mistakes' are not
counted against you so do what you want. To influence those who
are more focused on doing their best, with the grace of God, to
keep the Ten Commandments. To instead throw them out the window
and get with the program of "this is a testing ground - mistakes
are not counted against you".
: Nothing, but
: make some implausible threats about a hell which only good and religious
: people believe in and take seriously. Completely useless.
It's called justice; consequences; responsibility for your own
actions. Much like what really will happen to you if you cheat on
your spouse, lie on a job application, steal from a bank, kill
someone because they annoy you: you will face judgment and be
punished for your wicked actions. Fear of this is what keeps many
more crimes from ever happening. Removal of this punishment would
encourage crime rates to skyrocket.
When you face God, you will be held accountable for your sins,
for breaking His Commandments, and justice must be served. You
can either choose to repent from your sins, of breaking God's
Law, expressing genuine sorrow to God, asking forgiveness, and
turning from your sins, and then asking Christ to save you from
the punishment you deserve by what He did for us all on the cross
(and if you do this, He WILL save you!),
or you can continue to act like this is just an experimental
ground, where your mistakes don't count against you, thereby
encouraging people to do what they want.
I hope you make the right decision. :-/
:
: >
: > You know all you need to know, but it's clear you have no
: > interested in God, only against following creative reasons why
: > you can sin all you want against your own version of a god. I
: > only hope you stop making up excuses to justify sinning against
: > God and breaking His Commandments before it's too late. :-( Take
: > care.
:
: You have an overactive imagination. You're obsessed with other people
: sinning.
: You have a long way to evolve.
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