Re: Popular Excuses To Avoid Salvation

On Mon, 12 May 2008 02:40:33 -0700 (PDT), rogue <rogue719@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>On May 12, 8:44 am, Carl <sai...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> Red herring (diverting the issue). Rather than proving the point, this
>> fallacy simply evades the question by changing the subject, then
>> proceeding as if the point had been made. Often the other topic bears
>> a superficial resemblance to the one being discussed. Don’t let that
>> fool you! If no proof is given, there is no reason to accept the
>> argument. [Norman Geisler & Ronald Brooks: Come, Let Us Reason : An
>> Introduction to Logical Thinking. Grand Rapids, Mich. : Baker Book
>> House, 1990]
>>
>> Red herring. This means exactly what you think it means: introducing
>> irrelevant facts or arguments to distract from the question at hand.
>> For example, "The opposition claims that welfare dependency leads to
>> higher crime rates -- but how are poor people supposed to keep a roof
>> over their heads without our help?" It is perfectly valid to ask this
>> question as part of the broader debate, but to pose it as a response
>> to the argument about welfare leading to crime is fallacious. (There
>> is also an element of ad misericordiam in this example.) [Glen
>> Whitman, Associate Professor; California State University, Northridge]
>>
>> Red herring. The red herring is as much a debate tactic as it is a
>> logical fallacy. It is a fallacy of distraction, and is committed when
>> a listener attempts to divert an arguer from his argument by
>> introducing another topic. This can be one of the most frustrating,
>> and effective, fallacies to observe. [Tim
Holt;http://www.logicalfallacies.info/]
>>
>> Red herring. A red herring is a deliberate attempt to change the
>> subject or divert the argument from the real question at issue to some
>> side-point; for instance, “Senator Jones should not be held
>> accountable for cheating on his income tax. After all, there are other
>> senators who have done far worse things.” [Dr. L. Kip Wheeler; Carson-
>> Newman College]
>>
>> Red herring. A "red herring" argument is one which distracts the
>> audience from the issue in question through the introduction of some
>> irrelevancy. This frequently occurs during debates when there is an at
>> least implicit topic, yet it is easy to lose track of it. By
>> extension, it applies to any argument in which the premisses are
>> logically irrelevant to the conclusion. [http://www.fallacyfiles.org/]
>>
>> Red herring. A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic
>> is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The
>> basic idea is to “win” an argument by leading attention away from the
>> argument and to another topic. [Dr. Michael C. LaBossiere; Florida A&M
>> University]
>>
>> Red herring. A red herring is a smelly fish that would distract even a
>> bloodhound. It is also a digression that leads the reasoner off the
>> track of considering only relevant information. Example: Will the new
>> tax in Senate Bill 47 unfairly hurt business? One of the provisions of
>> the bill is that the tax is higher for large employers (fifty or more
>> employees) as opposed to small employers (six to forty-nine
>> employees). To decide on the fairness of the bill, we must first
>> determine whether employees who work for large employers have better
>> working conditions than employees who work for small employers.
>> Bringing up the issue of working conditions is the red herring.
>> [Bradley Dowden; California State University, Sacramento]
>>
>> Red herring . Ignoring criticism of an argument by changing attention
>> to another subject. Examples: "You believe in abortion, yet you don't
>> believe in the right-to-die-with-dignity bill before the
>> legislature." [Dr. J. P. Craig; University Of Iowa]
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>JERRY
>Carl, asking you to show how my point constitutes a strawman fallacy
>doesn't equate to a red herring logical fallacy.
>
>Now you are simply demonstrating that you don't understand the logical
>fallacies you cut-and-paste definitions for.