"Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 11 May 2008 12:42:43 +1000, "Andrew W"
> <removethis_ajwerner@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> : The Christian version of God is a really stupid version.
> : One minute he threatens to kill Adam & Eve just for picking a fruit
from
> a
> : tree,
>
> Not true. He warns them that they will die if they eat from the
> tree before they ever do so (spiritual death which leads to
> physical death). What do they do? They disobey Him and eat from
> it anyway. Their spiritually dead condition p***** on to their
> offspring along with their sin nature.
I'm sure you also plant deadly trees in your backyard and then let your
children play there on their own after giving them only one terse warning.
Sin / bad deeds do not modify a person's genetics after only one five
minute act. It takes time for a person's nature to change on that level.
The Genesis writings are completely implausible on that point alone.
>
> If a guy walked up to you and said "don't eat the fruit from that
> tree - you'll get sick", what are you going to do? Eat from it
> and then call _that guy_ stupid? Call _that guy_ stupid because
> that sickness passed onto his children?
That guy is not God and has no responsibility or desire for my welfare.
And the OT god said nothing about any sickness / sin being passed on to
any
children causing untold suffering and death for thousands of years to
come.
If he had mentioned that then A&E would have given much more thought
toward
their actions. He only said that THEY would suffer and die. Not anyone
else.
The story is not realistic in the least.
You don't seem to realise that these are just simplistic moral tales for
children
and simple farm folk. It didn't really happen.
>
> : but then later he sends his only son to die on a cross to save
> : everyone (from his own callous wrath).
>
> He is a holy, righteous God. He would be a corrupt judge to just
> let those who break His Law off the hook.
But he did let everyone off the hook. He just had his son bloodied and
killed and said presto, you are forgiven.
No one does strange things like that except in old middle eastern
mythologies.
>
> Do you expect to show up in court, and when the judge shows you
> how guilty you are for the crimes you've committed your whole
> life, say "Judge, your wrath is callous and stupid. I demand you
> prove how good you are by letting me go right now in spite of the
> fact I'm a self-fish, arrogant person who's clearly broken the
> law, mocked your attempts to have my punishment paid for me so
> that you could let me go"? No, the judge will response "You are
> right about one thing: I am a good person, and _because_ I am a
> good person I'm going to see that justice is done. For your
> entire life I gave you a way to see that justice was done - by
> repenting from breaking the law before you ever got in my
> courtroom, so that your crimes could be forgiven, and what did
> you do? Run around telling everyone how "callous and stupid" I
> am, and these laws of mine are, for your entire life. And now
> here you are, and justice will be done, since you refused justice
> to be done when I tried to get your fine paid for you and you
> flat out refused."
The judge would definitely be callous if he sentenced someone to death
just
for picking a fruit from a tree.
But justice has not been done because an innocent person paying for the
crime of a guilty person is not justice and never can be.
And the proof is that millions of people keep committing crimes every day
despite your saviour dying on the cross. The procedure didn't work, which
shows that your religion has things all wrong about God and what Jesus
came
to do.
>
> : It seems that with the Christian God, love is not always the most
> powerful
> : force in the universe.
>
> God loves us and doesn't want to bring us to justice. But being a
> holy, righteous God and Judge, He has no choice if _you refuse_
> to allow the punishment for your sins to be taken for you by
> Jesus Christ and refuse to repent and accept Jesus as your Lord
> and savior.
And what if our Creator is not the hard judgemental prosecutor your
religion
keeps claiming he is?
>
> God would be corrupt if he just let all liars, idolaters,
> fornicators, adulterers, murderers (in thought, not just in deed)
> into heaven.
Heaven is not a place, its a state of mind that everyone will eventually
evolve to experience.
It may take many lifetimes for some but no being can stay in the dark
forever.
> Unfortunately, the real problem is many people want
> to be as wicked as they want, reject God as much as they want,
> and still get to heaven. To do this, you continue to judge Him in
> spite of the clear fact the real problem is they have and
> continue to break His Law, and refuse to repent and accept
> Christ's amazing sacrifice on the cross.
You need to get your head out of that outdated bible and do some real
study
on morality and metaphysics.
You are still living in the middle ages.
>
> You want to talk about the most powerful force in the universe:
> While we were yet sinners, mocking and rejecting God and breaking
> His Law, Christ died for us anyway.
And it did no good as we can see.
> You have only to repent (be
> sorry for your sins, and turn away from your sins) and then
> accept Christ as your Lord and savior, and you'll be saved.
This world is for learning and while we're learning we will make many
mistakes.
Your religion is full of legalism and fear. There is no evidence that our
Creator is impatient and judgemental.
>
> Have you repented for your sins?
While one is evolving, one's 'sins' are not counted against them.
But obviously things happen every day that one regrets, so yes of course.
We
grow by reflecting on our daily deeds, but we have to move on and not get
all fearful of punishment from a religion's wrathful god person.
>
> Have you accepted Christ as your Lord and savior?
The Christ being was a way shower, not a saviour. We all have part of God
within us so we don't need saving.
But its only from the Christian god himself that one would need saving
anyway because he's so obsessed with perfection and he can't control his
emotions. Sort of like a really legalistic human.
>
> If not, why refuse to accept His forgiveness and continue to
> judge and mock Him? Do you think judging Him and mocking Him will
> get him to look past your sins on your day of judgment?
It ok to mock a story book character. He won't come after you. Never has.
Don't be so scared of him/it.
--
Andrew W.
God used to live in the clouds. Now he exists outside the universe.
Christians keep pu****ng God further and further away.
You must unlearn what you have learned. ~ Yoda
Channelled lessons about ET's, ascended masters like Jesus Christ, spirit
guides, earth changes.
http://www.spiritnexus.com/audio/channeling/index.htm
The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich
Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm
Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!
http://www.acim.org/
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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