Carl wrote:
> On May 11, 1:33 am, Grinder <grin...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>> Carl wrote:
>>> Straw man. Fallacy of establi****ng a position, claiming it is the
>>> opponent’s position, and then attacking it, when it is not in fact
>>> the opponent’s position at all. [Norman Geisler & Ronald Brooks:
>>> Come, Let Us Reason : An Introduction to Logical Thinking. Grand
>>> Rapids, Mich. : Baker Book House, 1990, S. 194]
>>
>>> Straw man. This is the fallacy of refuting a caricatured or extreme
>>> version of somebody's argument, rather than the actual argument
>>> they've made. Often this fallacy involves putting words into
>>> somebody's mouth by saying they've made arguments they haven't
>>> actually made, in which case the straw man argument is a veiled
>>> version of argumentum ad logicam. [Glen Whitman, Associate
>>> Professor; California State University, Northridge]
>>
>>> Straw man. A straw man argument is one that misrepresents a position
>>> in order to make it appear weaker than it actually is, refutes this
>>> misrepresentation of the position, and then concludes that the real
>>> position has been refuted. This, of course, is a fallacy, because
>>> the position that has been claimed to be refuted is different to
>>> that which has actually been refuted; the real target of the
>>> argument is untouched by it. [Tim
>>> Holt;http://www.logicalfallacies.info/]
>>
>>> Straw man. A Straw Man occurs when an opponent takes the original
>>> argument of his/her adversary and then offers a close imitation, or
>>> straw man, version of the original argument; "knocks down" the straw
>>> man version of the argument (because the straw man, as its name
>>> implies, is a much easier target to hit, undermine, etc.) -- and
>>> thereby gives the appearance of having successfully
>>> countered/overcome/ answered the original argument. [Dr. Charles
>>> Ess; A Database of Informal Fallacies; 1987]
>>
>>> Straw man. The author attacks an argument different from (and weaker
>>> than) the opposition's best argument. [Stephen’s Guide To Logical
>>> Fallacies;http://onegoodmove.org/fallacy/welcome.htm]
>>
>>> Straw man. You commit the straw man fallacy whenever you attribute
>>> an easily refuted position to your opponent, one that the opponent
>>> wouldn't endorse, and then proceed to attack the easily refuted
>>> position believing you have undermined the opponent's actual
>>> position. If the misrepresentation is on purpose, then the straw
>>> man fallacy is caused by lying. [James Fieser, Ph.D. & Bradley
>>> Dowden, Ph.D.; California State University, Sacramento]
>>
>>> Straw man. Directing the argument against a claim that nobody
>>> actually holds or that everyone agrees is very weak. [Rise Axelrod
>>> & Charles Cooper; The Concise Guide to Writing; Bedford/St.
>>> Martin's, 2005]
>>
>>> Straw man. A straw man argument is an informal fallacy based on
>>> misrepresentation of an opponent's position. [Madsen Pirie; How to
>>> Win Every Argument: The Use and Abuse of Logic; UK: Continuum
>>> International Publi****ng Group, 2007]
>>
>> volume != cogency
>
> multiple acceptable sources = clarification
That they agree on a definition, not that what you responded to contained
any such arguments.
It could be argued from any of the definitions you post that *you* are the
straw man.
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