dear carl and fellow loving christians,
in faith while knowing not?
you claim to know better than the rest of us about god in jesus name?
LOL
car you seem so rude to others of faith as well in jesus name.
interesting how you lack respect for anyone while demanding it for
yourself.
when jesus says to love all.
but no, jesus love doesn't count anymore.
it is the life of the church it is only the life of the speaker that
matters more than jesus teachings.
it is the opinions of the church that matter more than real people and
other's faith.
when you diss christians for jesus, by saying another cult is not as
good as yours.
makes your cause look like a waste of your time.
so your previous apology was never sent for jesus' approval?
in lov with the living gay jesus,
merlin
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jesus look at what has happened to your love.
On Apr 30, 12:22=A0pm, "Carl" <sai...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> Recently a character using the nick "Gopal Das"
a real person from another religion wrote you about his religion.
when you falsely cast his religion as meaningless for jesus.
> arrived on Usenet promoting
we remember your first post to christnet, and quess what it was an
complaint about someone else.
you have been terrible to alot of people on here.
that is your problem, except your witness is a problem for jesus.
> the new age cult known as Eckankar
and in your righteousness you called him a name for jesus?
did jesus tell you to write this? bet not.
did you ask jesus about writing this post?
bet not.
> (a cult founded by Paul Twitchell in the
> late 60's).
someone found another way to love god and you resent it?
you are calling someone else's personal experience with god a cult?
when did you stop drinking the cool aid?
> Incidentally,
what does this matter to your faith in god?
> in Twitchell's fictional writings
you post so much fiction from others writers, it is shocking to hear
you call other's post fictional.
> "Gopal Das" was
> a "Living ECK Master" in 3000 B.C.,
and what was your name derived from?
> in Egypt near Luxor. It seems that
> Twitchell, a hack writer
is not original posts better than copying other people's writings
carl?
are you agianst original posts on christnet?
are you against writers in general?
> and former Scientologist hired by L. Ron Hubbard
> personally to be in charge of selecting articles on Scientology
submitted =
by
> pari****oners to be published in either Scientology publications or
elsewhe=
re
> as a testimony to the worth of Scientology, tried to emulate his mentor
L.=
> Ron Hubbard in creating his own religion to make money.
so there is no paid minister in your church?
no one is paid to clean the pews?
no one is paid to help out in the office?
christians are the most wealthy demoninations in america.
there are many christian churches that are bigger than king davids
palace.
bowling alleys, gift shops, and restaurants included.
> Also Paul Twitchell
> has written in his fiction that chanting the name "Gopal" can actually
> trans****t one's inner, true self, i.e., Soul - to the Temple of Golden
> Wisdom, where one can hear Gopal Das give lectures.
that sounds like fun.
deleted confusing reference was not sure who wrote the review in
question.
> ECKANKAR
> A New Age religion founded by Paul Twitchell, who led the group from
> 1965-1971. He was followed by Darwin Gross (1971-1981), and Harold Klemp
> (1981-present). Leaders of Eckankar are called 'ECK Masters.'
nothing evel there.
>
> ECKKANKAR was "born" (or brought into public view) in 1965. Its founder
an=
d
> formulator as Paul Twitchell ("Paulji"), who proclaimed himself the
971st
> Living Eck Master - the living oracle of God ("Sugmad") - the "Mahanta"
fo=
r
> this age.
doesn't sound very dangerous.
> Twitchell was a dabbler in things mystical and occult, a former
> Scientologist, initiate of the Kirpal Singh of the Ruhani Satsang branch
o=
f
> the Radhoasoami tradition on India, and excommunicated staffer of Swami
> Premananda's Self-Revelation Church of Absolute Monism, an offshoot of
the=
> Self-Realization Fellow****p.
wow, this all sounds wonderful. have you ever been on piligrimage to
india?
there are temples older than christianity that are still being used
for wor****p.
what a wonderful place to find god's love.
can you imagine wor****ping in the same building for 2000 years?
and the amazing love and power of these places held sacred for
thousands of years
is a wonder to behold.
> Sometime around 1960 Twitchell began to formulate the idea of founding
his=
> own religion.
> [...]
maybe he was inspired by god? god, the one you don't know about?
> Twitchell claimed that he did not borrow ideas from any human source,
but
> experienced his own "God realization" in 1956 and was initiated by a
group=
> of spiritual masters called the "Order of Vairagi Masters" as the Living
E=
ck
> Master in 1965. The exact nature of these extraordinary beings is left
vag=
ue
> in Twitchell's writings, but they seem comparable to the "Ascended
Masters=
"
> of Theosophical lore.
that sounds like more fun than being saved.
sounds like he is very involved with god in his life.
that he may have had a deeper relation****p with god than you carl.
cause you have never met god and sound very synical that anyone else
could.
> Twitchell claimed that ECKANKAR
and you make your claims in faith with no facts.
what is the difference between carel and carl's notes an mr.
twitchell?
> is the oldest and most original religion in
> the world.
is that true? merlin has met people from many faiths.
tho god has never asked merlin to wor****p god,
only people demand that merlin wor****p god.
it is the oddest thang, to have god standing there not making any
demands on anyone,
and we both have to watch as chritians throw things at everyone
demanding upon pain
of death that people wor****p god.
> All other religions are derivative from it and in some sense
> inferior to it.
that is what carl says too. both can't be right now can they?
> Whatever truth
carl doesn't know, his whole life is based on faith not facts or
knowledge from experience of god.
> is in them belongs to ECKANKAR.
god can be part of your life too carl.
you do not have to feel lonely and alone.
god can talk with you,
god can guide you,
you have to learn to love to find this relation****p with god carl.
> According to
> some careful scholars of Twitchell and ECKANKAR,
oh oh, her comes the death threats from carl.
> however, the
> self-proclaimed Mahanta simply borrowed and reworked the cosmology and
> spirituality of the venerable Radhosoami tradition of India as mediated
to=
> him by Kirpal Singh and the American Radhosoami adept and writer, Dr.
Juli=
an
> Johnson. David Lane's expos=E9 of Twitchell's dependence on these men
(and=
> others) is convincing.
that is where the isrealites got it too.
abraham is thought to have been a brahman.
the highest cast in hinduism.
which has been around for thousands or years.
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>
> A member of the new age family of cults, Eckankar teaches a process
which
> after a series of reincarnation culminates in a god existence, or Christ
> Consciousness.
and you believe that to find god you must have a human sacrefice.
is not this eckankar a better approach to god?
there is no human sacrefice in christ consciousness.
when you stop roasting jesus on the spit
you may want a better way to find god.
like use jesus life and not his death to explain
jesus relation****p with the father.
> The process itself involves the adherent progressing upward through
twelve=
> astral planes through the attainment of classified levels of knowledge
> (gnosticism).
this is not taught in christianity, nothing about the after life is
taught.
christianity seems the only religion merlin has looked at that knows
nothing about life after death.
>
> Eckankar believes that God exists in two parts, the Light and Sound,
known=
> as ECK. This is held to be the sustaining force of all life and the
> equivalent of the Holy Spirit. Eckankar teaches that it is possible to
> experience the Light and Sound through the proper use of spiritual
> exercises.
sounds good. does this not beat faith based realities?
something you can learn to do to change your life?
something you can learn to do to improve your life?
rather than listen to death threats from christians all the time?
> Spiritual exercise is im****tant as the initiator of Soul Travel
carl says you have to believe only.
> and for
> achieving spiritual growth and a deeper appreciation for one's pas
lives.
past lives.
> A
> key spiritual exercise is the singing of the word hu, which is
supposedly
> the name of God.
in another language right?
so you believe that all believers must speak english?
you refuse to allow the chinese to say god is chinese?
you refuse to allow laotians to say the name of god in laotian?
how bigoted of you.
you are saying only a racially white god speaking english will do?
>
> Adherents
believes tend to believe.
what do you believe carl?
> believe in karma
do onto others as you would have them do onto you?
you are so far away from jesus original language you have no idea what
jesus really said.
> and reincarnation
carl, you believe in death,
we can't help you when you wor****p death
and wor****p death threats.
it is hard to explain other ideas to you when you need human
sacrefices for you god.
> and hold that ECK helps to
> purify a person of karma.
hope so for those that believe.
> They emphasize a cooperative relation****p with
> God.
that sounds wonderful.
so their god does not kill people?
> Humans are considered a spark of God sent to earth to gain spiritual
> experience and to serve others.
that is what the bible says.
we are made in their image.
> many of his materials were plagarized.
do you ever get permission to publish all the things you publish?
bet not.
deleted some mean stuff
> There are many more sources showing the unChristian nature of Eck****ar
you made it all sound wonderful. and loving.
you made it sound like jesus is alive in this person.
> and
> the false,
who don't you call false carl?
who isn't false to you? yourself?
> unBiblical teachings of the cult.
so you goal is not to know jesus your goal is to observe the teachings
of the bible?
yet you wor****p jesus when yahweh says have no other gods.
how do you reconcile that? you diss the old testament as you diss
this group.
you diss jesus religion of being a hebrew as extremely as you witness
agianst this group.
so you are not very nice nor loving anyone.
> They believe in a different god
yes a lovely god that does not require human sacrefices to appease
god.
> than Jehovah God of the Bible
you don't wor****p jehovah,
on this you are a perfect liar.
for jehovah said have not other gods
and you wor****p a jewish carpenter as a god.
> and deny essential Christian doctrine.
that is what you are doing carl.
you reject the teaching of jejovah
and wor****p jesus. that is your choice.
yet and it may be very christian,
it just isn't part of jesus teachings at all.
> Please
> take the time to educate yourself on this cult so you may also warn
other
> Christians to avoid it.
that there are nicer religions that treat god alot better than carl
does?
this is a sad cultural war in america against everything non white in
god.
this is why all mexicans are called illegal aliens.
this is why we are in iraq.
this is why we ignore torture in abu greb.
this is why america ignores darfur.
carl's post is so hook line and stinker this racial war agianst the
world that europe started and american christians continue.
where no other race can say the name of god, no other race or group
can speak about god in their native language.
such is the state of racism in christianity.
in love with the living gay jesus,
merlin
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